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Topic: Sexual freedom in the Roman world Posted: 30-Sep-2007 at 14:50 |
Roman society was known to be strongly patriacal where children were legally "property" of their parents as long as they were alive. Most of the marriages of the upper classes seemed to have been arranged.
However, according to the wall paintings and mosaics dug up in Pompeii, sex did not seem like such a taboo as in Christian and Muslim civilizations. Erotic and pornographic scenes were depicted EVERYWHERE, even in the "living room" of some apartments.
Although many public baths had separate sections for male and female, there is evidence that the separation was not stricly enforced judging from the fact that many prostitutes found their clients in public baths.
A handful of Roman authors had also written guidelines about how to "go out on the pull".
I'm curious to know what was the mentality towards sex really like in the Roman world, and to what degree did their women enjoy sexual freedom. If they were really that promiscuous, how did they prevent unwanted pregnancies?
There is also evidence showing the most Roman and Egyptian plebians did not have any marriage ceremony. A man and a woman would start going out together and then live together. When the relationship terminated, they'd separate and live with someone else.
Sounds very familiar, but was it really the case?
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Posted: 30-Sep-2007 at 16:21 |
A pleasant way of finding out would be to read the novels of Steven Saylor.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2007 at 16:41 |
It depended I think, the late republic was v promiscous, in opposition to the early one, after Augustus it began to reduce.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2007 at 17:38 |
Two books that might provide some answers: Porniea by Albert Rosseu, and Body and Society by Peter Brown. Brown's book is mostly about Christian sexual renunciation, but the first chapter "Body and City" is an outstanding synopsis of pagan views of sexuality. Both Rosseu and Brown base their cases largely on Greek medical texts. Works on Roman sexuality vary highly in quality; the latest, a compilation of articles called Roman Sexualities has some useful ones, but its contents are also hit or miss in quality.
In terms of Roman evidence, sexuality is often mentioned as a topic for moralists. Probably the best collection of sexual (and other) moralizing can be found in the works of Valerius Maximus, whose exempla show a strong bent towards sexual prudery.
Certainly the Romans had a good deal of sex--this was necessary to make more Romans. Prostitutes (meretrices--women who earn) was common, although many prostitutes were slaves. Prostitution was not necessarily disapproved off; Cato the Censor supposedly believed the occasional visit to the brothel helped prevent adultery, although he frowned on men who made this too frequent a habit. Male and female domestic slavers were also commonly used for sexual purposes, although this was not always approved of, and thus Scipio Africanus' loyal wife kept secret one of his liasions with a female slave, while Marcus Aurelius in his Meditations could claim with satisfaction that he had never indulged in sex with slaves.
Sexual restraint in particular was demanded during Roman military operations---which may help to explain the decision in the early Empire to ban the marriage of soldiers. Roman rhetoric held that sex weakened the body (due to a loss of vital heat and fluid in the form of semen), and that pleasure had an inverating effect on martial virtue. An intriguing passage in Polybios hints at the possibility that Roman soldiers were harshly punished for masturbating, while high sexual mores were expected from Roman generals--hence the legend of the continence of Scipio. A good general was expected to keep his camp free of whores--thus denying soldiers far from home a basic sexual outlet.
Finally, it was generally held that men had only so much energy to spare, and that a truly active man shoud abstain from sex to conserve his energy for his public tasks. Thus actors, orators and athletes all commonly practiced sexual abstinance, to conserve their bodily powers for the stenous tasks of singing, declaiming and competing.
We thus may detect two contridictory threads in the ancient world--on one hand a lusty world of brothels and baths, and of the frank sexuality needed to keep communities from slinking into extinction. On the other hand, we can not ignore the very real rhetoric and practice of sexual restraint, which prevented the ancient world from being the orgy-ridden affair so commonly depicted in modern media.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2007 at 17:58 |
It depended on a number of factors - what level of society you were
born at, what part of the Republic/Empire you lived in, chronologically
what time you were born in. Roman women of the upper and middle classes
were expected to behave themselves and be good mothers, this was
especially the case early on when we read of Lucretia killing herself
after the shame of having been raped by Tarquinus Sextus.
For marriages of the well-to-do, or those where the arrangement
included a significant economic exchange, it was considered important
the wife be well behaved. Financial as well as moral considerations
rested on it. However, as the Roman state became wealthier and its
urban population increased, people increasingly found the time and
money to throw very indulgent parties. Vomitoria, where people
could vomit after having gorged themselves on party food, is an example
of this. And a good deal of sex was to be had by the happy party goers
on top of the generous wine and food.
Husbands could generally expect a good deal more liberty. Slaves (which
were fairly rare before the 3rd century BC) were the property of the pater familias and he could have sex with them as he wished.
The Emperors themselves were probably among the most sexually active
and varied in their tastes. Suetonius notes that all but one of the
first 12 (Claudius) had both male and female lovers. But then, as Mel
Brooks says, "It's good to be the King" - they generally had license to
do as they pleased.
For the ordinary people, it was different. The Greek world was very
open to arrangement of pederasty, most Romans didn't mind the practice
in the Late Republic and pre-Christian Empire periods. It was only the
most conservative elements of Roman society which viewed the practice
as both effeminate and insidiously foreign - a view of the Greeks which
became mainstream amongst the Christian west in the Middle Ages for
partly the Greek acceptance of the sexual practice.
Sex was an industry in ancient Rome, and indulged in with such a
variety which would not be seen again in Europe until early Renaissance
Venice. The brothels offered a variety of women of different cultures,
specialising in particular acts of sex - or able to perform erotic
dances instead. Though these tended to be establishments which were
available in the larger port cities and the major cities of the empire.
Sex also played a role in religious festivals. The Saturnalia saw
scantily dressed young men run through the streets slightly whipping
the young women to bestow upon them fertility. The Bachannalia allowed
those who worshipped the god of wine to also engage in orgiastic
rituals.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2007 at 19:45 |
Actually, it was the Lupercalia that saw young men dressed in wolf costumes to whip young women, supposedly to increase their fertility, but also as a good natured gesture of infatuation. The Lupercalia took place on Feb. 14th--modern Valentine's Day.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2007 at 22:00 |
I might also add Paul Veyne's view (which confirms partly what dexippus already said) that sexual renounciation was not invented by Christians, it was practiced to a degree by late Romans, a form of puritanism.
On pederasty, the image is trickier because there was no concept of homosexuality, rather of passivity and servility (terms like cinaedus, catamitus, pathicus, etc.) which was seen as immoral and degrading.
The Bachannalia allowed those who worshipped the god of wine to also engage in orgiastic rituals.
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And let's not forget the Roman persecution of Bacchanalia-s from the 180s BC.
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Posted: 01-Oct-2007 at 08:45 |
Originally posted by dexippus
Sexual restraint in particular was demanded during Roman military operations---which may help to explain the decision in the early Empire to ban the marriage of soldiers. Roman rhetoric held that sex weakened the body (due to a loss of vital heat and fluid in the form of semen), and that pleasure had an inverating effect on martial virtue. An intriguing passage in Polybios hints at the possibility that Roman soldiers were harshly punished for masturbating, while high sexual mores were expected from Roman generals--hence the legend of the continence of Scipio. A good general was expected to keep his camp free of whores--thus denying soldiers far from home a basic sexual outlet.
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This is another interesting topic and I've read several investigative reports about it, including the works of Adrian Goldsworthy and Yan le Beac.
Polybius account might have been true but only during the early-mid republic because military campaigns were short and soldiers were conscripts who returned to their civilian lives after returing from campaign.
The professional army was another story altogether.
It had been believed for many years that the marriage ban on Roman soldiers was to promote sexual abstinence, but following the finding of a legionary fortress abandoned in Germany during the height of the empire, there is a host of evidence suggesting that:
1. most soldiers in fact were married (or living in relationships)
2. their wives and children might have even lived with them in the fortress
Women's and children's clothing and toys had been found, and medical instruments to assit childbirth had been found in the legionary hospital.
Apart from that, there is evidence that the army actually owned slave girls with which soldiers used as free prostitutes. Many serving soldiers also owned slaves: both male and female.
The "marriage ban" had more likely the pupose of preventing soldiers' common-law wives from making legal claims to the possessions of their decease husbands, than to prevent sexual contact.
Another reason for it could be to prevent desertion. Because the children of the soldiers' illegitimate unions did not receive full-citizenship until the the soldier completed his 25-year contract, if the soldier deserted before then his children would never acquire any legal rights.
A vast number of legionary recruits were son's of serving legionaries who had been raised in the military camp!
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Posted: 01-Oct-2007 at 10:42 |
There is also evidence showing the most Roman and Egyptian plebians did not have any marriage ceremony. A man and a woman would start going out together and then live together. When the relationship terminated, they'd separate and live with someone else.
Sounds very familiar, but was it really the case? |
Now I've noticed this one. I think you refer here to usus or to no marriage at all (just living together would not make them married, as you will see). There were three ways (see Gaius, Institutiones, I, 110-113) to get the woman into the manus of her husband, and thus become materfamilias:
- usus, in which the woman after the marriage spent a year with no interruptions with her husband, thus becoming the object of a usucapio (right of possession). If a woman would have wanted not to enter her husband's manus she would have to miss from home three days each year to interrupt the yearly usus. Gaius adds this form was rather obsolete at the time he wrote and that other laws replace it partially.
- confarreatio, a religious-juridical marriage, where a panis farreus is offered to Iupiter Farreus and other ceremonials are performed.
- coemptio, a juridical marriage consisting of a fictional sale between the woman's familiy and the husband
Confarreatio and coemptio bring the woman in husband's manus immediately.
Also please note the children born in non-legal marriages were basically stripped of rights (considered to have no father), and also that only one legal marriage could be held by someone at one time, he'd have first to divorce to get married again. Adoptions outside marriages were illegal. Women could have trouble remarrying not only because of the public opinions, but also legally they'd have to wait a year before remarrying.
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The actual motives of the Imperial marraige ban remain vague. A very thorough book by Sarah Phang provides a comprehensive overview of all the evidence pertaining to Roman soldiers, and comes to the conclusion that the ban may have been largely motivated by the desire to keep soldiers away from the percieved corrupting effects of women and the comforts they could provide. It does not seem likely to me that the ban was designed to keep women away from soldier's property, as soldiers, even those under patriapotestas, could easily dispose of their property to whomever they wished, including through convenient verbal wills made in procinctu. There also exists the possibility that Augustus, raising a new professional army that was to replace to politicized mobs of the civil wars, wanted an un-married soldiery free from any bonds, matrimonial or otherwise, to Italy and the patronage of any Roman barons who might challenge his position. Or simple logistics may have motivated the decision: Augustus wanted an expeditionary army fighting on the frontiers, and didn't want to expend the money or effort to provide for soldiers families (the US Marines considered policies to dissaude Marines from marrying in the 1990s for just this reason). Clearly, soldiers went ahead and entered into common law marriages anyway from a very early point, so that many of the victims of the clades in Teutonburg were female camp followers who perished with their men.
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Posted: 01-Oct-2007 at 11:47 |
Originally posted by dexippus
The actual motives of the Imperial marraige ban remain vague. A very thorough book by Sarah Phang provides a comprehensive overview of all the evidence pertaining to Roman soldiers, and comes to the conclusion that the ban may have been largely motivated by the desire to keep soldiers away from the percieved corrupting effects of women and the comforts they could provide. It does not seem likely to me that the ban was designed to keep women away from soldier's property, as soldiers, even those under patriapotestas, could easily dispose of their property to whomever they wished, including through convenient verbal wills made in procinctu. There also exists the possibility that Augustus, raising a new professional army that was to replace to politicized mobs of the civil wars, wanted an un-married soldiery free from any bonds, matrimonial or otherwise, to Italy and the patronage of any Roman barons who might challenge his position. Or simple logistics may have motivated the decision: Augustus wanted an expeditionary army fighting on the frontiers, and didn't want to expend the money or effort to provide for soldiers families (the US Marines considered policies to dissaude Marines from marrying in the 1990s for just this reason). Clearly, soldiers went ahead and entered into common law marriages anyway from a very early point, so that many of the victims of the clades in Teutonburg were female camp followers who perished with their men. |
Walter Scheidel has done an exhaustive study on the marriage pattern of Roman soldiers.
Yes, Teutonburg was a very prime example.
It occured during the reign of Augustus when society was supposed to be the most "puritan".
However, mentions had been made about common soldiers desperately attempting to "save their families"..... so they obviously lived with their wives and children....
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Posted: 01-Oct-2007 at 11:51 |
Originally posted by Chilbudios
Now I've noticed this one. I think you refer here to usus or to no marriage at all (just living together would not make them married, as you will see). There were three ways (see Gaius, Institutiones, I, 110-113) to get the woman into the manus of her husband, and thus become materfamilias:
- usus, in which the woman after the marriage spent a year with no interruptions with her husband, thus becoming the object of a usucapio (right of possession). If a woman would have wanted not to enter her husband's manus she would have to miss from home three days each year to interrupt the yearly usus. Gaius adds this form was rather obsolete at the time he wrote and that other laws replace it partially.
- confarreatio, a religious-juridical marriage, where a panis farreus is offered to Iupiter Farreus and other ceremonials are performed.
- coemptio, a juridical marriage consisting of a fictional sale between the woman's familiy and the husband
Confarreatio and coemptio bring the woman in husband's manus immediately.
Also please note the children born in non-legal marriages were basically stripped of rights (considered to have no father), and also that only one legal marriage could be held by someone at one time, he'd have first to divorce to get married again. Adoptions outside marriages were illegal. Women could have trouble remarrying not only because of the public opinions, but also legally they'd have to wait a year before remarrying.
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I also wonder whether if "free-unions", or usus, were commonly practiced among plebians, whether they were for "love" or for "interests".
I mean whether a couple lived together because they were in love, or whether it was because the man could economically maintain the woman.
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As I've said I think you refer either to usus or to no marriage at all (i.e. living together without manus). Usus is not exactly a free union; the constraints I've mentioned plus several others were seen as a right to get married, the connubium. Generally the marriages with manus are the equivalent of a family, and though I do not rule out the love, the material interests would have a heavy weight (security at home, future for children, in the high society also bonds between families, etc.). Like in many traditional societies, marriage and family were rather closely related. Within such marriages Romans did not speak of love rather of affectio maritalis, which was the state of mind corresponding to the intention to live as husband and wife for life and procreate legitimate children.
The unmarried couples were living in concubinatus. There was also a special type of union for slaves called contubernium.
Oh, but I haven't answered properly to your question: though I have no solid evidence at hand, I believe plebeians were getting married, too, as it was basically the only way a family could be recognized as such in the Roman world.
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Originally posted by Chilbudios
The unmarried couples were living in concubinatus. There was also a special type of union for slaves called contubernium. |
I thought contubernium also meant a unit of 8 men in the legion.
Sometimes I wonder about how widespread was the concubinatus: living together without being married, and how it was views upon.
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Contuberium is a term roughly meaning "those who live together" and could refer to either a legionary mess or the informal union of slaves.
The different between marriage and concubinage, as it developed in Roman law, was
1) Marriage produced legitimate children, while concubinage did not.
2) Marriage was between persons of equal status, such as two free persons, while concubinage was between persons of unequal status, for example the emperor Marcus Aurelius and his freed-woman concubine.
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Marriage was between persons of equal status, such as two free persons, while concubinage was between persons of unequal status, for example the emperor Marcus Aurelius and his freed-woman concubine. |
Lex Canuleia allowed plebeians and patricians to marry, though they were not persons of equal status.
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The marriage of plebians and patricians was indeed illegal during the early period of the republic. But both Patricians and plebians, particularly after the struggle orders concluded, were still of basically the same legal status: free persons and Roman citizens. Concubinage is somewhat a legal development of the empire. The divergent status that a concubinage might unit could include: free born and freed, honestiore and humiliore, citizen and non-citizen.
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