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babyblue
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Topic: Lu Bu vs Arnie Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 23:02 |
what do you guys think?
Mods: feel free to move this to the Historical Amusement..later on, not now..
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Vamun Tianshu
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Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 23:05 |
LU BU is the MAN!
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Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner
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Posted: 27-Feb-2005 at 09:58 |
So who is this Lu Bu guy?
Is he an Asian action movie star, or something?
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Posted: 27-Feb-2005 at 22:02 |
Lu Bu is a warrior/general from the last few years of the han dynasty, he was known as an undefeatable warrior, but he eventually was captured by Cao Cao (not by Cao Cao himself) You can read about him in the book Three Kingdoms
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Posted: 28-Feb-2005 at 00:51 |
this is Lu Bu
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Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner
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Posted: 28-Feb-2005 at 21:23 |
Originally posted by Zhuge Kongming
Lu Bu is a warrior/general from the last few years of the han dynasty, he was known as an undefeatable warrior, but he eventually was captured by Cao Cao (not by Cao Cao himself) You can read about him in the book Three Kingdoms
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OK, thanks for the info.
But, why Lu Bu vs. Arnie?
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Bryan
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Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 17:42 |
Heh, if only babyblue.
And to read something more factual than you would find in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, try this: http://kongming.net/novel/sgz/lubu.php
Indeed, why did you choose Arnie?
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Komnenos
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Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 17:48 |
What the heck is this all about?
The next American election or the least talent actor in Austrian history? Is Lu Bu Austrian?
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Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 21:37 |
L Bu was a Chinese warrior around about, oh, 1,800 years ago. He became famous for his martial prowess, as well as his tendency to betray...
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Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 22:21 |
and no dount his exploits are incredinly exxagerated and distorted, as any objective readings would show you.
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Bryan
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Posted: 02-Mar-2005 at 12:56 |
Aww... are you saying that because it was recorded by a Chinese historian, or is it something deeper? Objective reading? Fine, give me some sources that you would consider to be objective, and I'll read them.
A few of his exploits were indeed exaggerated... in the novel that was written during the Ming dynasty. However, the Sanguo Zhi was a historical account of the era, painstakingly put together. It's considered as the primary source.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2005 at 21:53 |
hm, my bad, the one I read was the Ming dynasty one which I was told by a proffeosr (not a good one) was the definateive source. Apparently he was wrong, good to know.
edit: what the hell do you mean by something deeper, I dont trust or distrust any historian over another based on culture, but its good to be skeptical.
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Posted: 03-Mar-2005 at 07:22 |
What did I mean? I've just noticed that you tend to be more "skeptical" towards Chinese historians than any others. It's not something that happens all the time, but from my point of view, it is a tendency that you have.
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Posted: 04-Mar-2005 at 23:51 |
more lol, no I actually find CVhinese historians more reliable than most if not all, I just like to question it more because of all the obnoxious Chinese nationalists that I cant stand.
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Posted: 05-Mar-2005 at 00:10 |
Originally posted by Tobodai
more lol, no I actually find CVhinese historians more reliable than most if not all, I just like to question it more because of all the obnoxious Chinese nationalists that I cant stand.
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this is rather biased i would have to say. as a moderator, you should not choose some source over another. at least not in the public.
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Posted: 05-Mar-2005 at 00:14 |
Originally posted by coolstorm
Originally posted by Tobodai
more lol, no I actually find CVhinese historians more reliable than
most if not all, I just like to question it more because of all the
obnoxious Chinese nationalists that I cant stand.
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this is rather biased i would have to say. as a moderator, you
should not choose some source over another. at least not in the public. |
Just b/c he's a moderator doesn't mean he isn't entitled to his own opinion.
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Posted: 05-Mar-2005 at 11:03 |
Bad comparision in my view. How do they fight with each other? Lu uses his Ji and a rifle in Arnie's hand? I got a better idea, how about Maximus (Roman figure in Gladiator) Vs Lu Bu? More interesting , huh.
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Posted: 05-Mar-2005 at 15:08 |
Just b/c he's a moderator doesn't mean he isn't entitled to his own opinion. |
yes he can have his own opinion but he still shouldn't prefer anything over another.
having his own opinion and being skeptical are different.
i can give racist comments and say it's my own opinion but that's illegal still.
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Posted: 06-Mar-2005 at 19:35 |
anyone with even half a brain should be abel to tell if source A is better than source b. Chinese historians are consistently reliable (at least after Shi Huang Ti era) and its merely a fact that they work in less religiously oriented bias than most people can achieve.
Although my all time favorite historian is Ibn Khaldun, and hes not Chinese so its not all one way.
In Europe Roman sources tend to be quite good if you can cut through propoganda but medieval sources are often terrible. Ancient Egyptian sources are almost totally unreliable and filled with crap for the most part...its all objective, and I preserve the right to be objective.
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Posted: 07-Mar-2005 at 17:01 |
This has turned from Lu Bu vs Arnie to a debate about sources.
*sits back and watches*
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