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    Posted: 19-Jan-2008 at 04:59
Is Jizya a progressive tax? That means the richer you get , the more you pay. Likewise, the poorer you are, the less you pay or sometimes you are exempted.
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Well eaglecap, it seems that you just contradicted yourself in your post. You have been in Turkey and you mentioned nothing about the government confiscating bibles from you and yet you quote some website full of BS. (I wish I had time to address your whole post but I don't)

In Turkey they do not confiscate Bibles and you can even buy them at book stores. I did not realize there were 20,000 Christians in Istanbul but I did notice the Protestant churches were very low key. I imagine a good part of the number you gave are Catholics.

It is evangelism that could get you deported from Turkey. I have talked to missionaries in Istanbul. I accidently blurted out the word missionary on the ferry and was quickly hushed by an American missionary and told not to say that word in public. When I asked the Turkish Christian owners of a book store in Istanbul, "do you have church services here!" She quickly hushed me up and told me someone could be listening and that they do not have the same religious freedoms that you have in America.

As for the vandalism caused by evangical Christians I really find that hard to believe and ask you show me documentation on that one. I have known many Evangelical Christians in my life and they are very peaceful people and opposed to such acts. I am a diest and not a Christian so remember that but I believe in freedom of religion or the right not to have a religion. I personally cannot believe there is not a God and of course one God is enough.

Saudi Arabia is the only Muslim country I know of that will not allow Bibles into the country.

Edited by eaglecap - 19-Jan-2008 at 20:15
Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε
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Here is a link for an Algerian newspaper. It is in Arabic. Though investigations did not lead to the culprits in this particular case, the police say that other incidents evangelical converts were responsible especially since they glorify christianity. I should warn you that some of the comments in Arabic are hurtful. http://www.echoroukonline.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=8663
 
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why not create a thread about the good side of Islam so it will help many of us see a more balanced view. I would be glad to read the posts but it should only focus on the positive.

I could not find a direct link to this article but I found this article in the Health section sad and alarming. Please give me a direct link if you can.

400 thousand children diagnosed with kidney cancer in Algeria (810 reads)

Last estimates show that some 400 thousand children were diagnosed with kidney cancer in Algeria according to professor Salem, an imminent specialist of children's surgery in Paris.



Edited by eaglecap - 19-Jan-2008 at 21:23
Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε
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Originally posted by eaglecap

Turkey is a secular state, Infact more secular than USA.

Remember, I have spent time in Istanbul- love the people!! I know your constitution allows freedom of religion but in reality being a Christian there is hard and they have to keep a low profile. I know because I talked to born again Christian Turks while I was there, so if Turkey is truly a secular country then why do christians fear their own government for their religous beliefs??? I also noticed that Prostestant churches were very low profile and hard to find although not the Roman Catholic or Orthodox churches.
 

I wrote here quite some time ago , tried to find it but couldn't so I will be repeating myself but anyway :)

 

If you are a minority in a country (in terms of anything, especially religion), it is usually hard.

Last year I was visiting Washington for business purposes. And in my spare time I wanted to visit some museums. The thing is I almost always carry my Quran in my backpack. So guess what? A museum comes with a security check. One of the security guys found my Quran in my backpack, looked at me in the eyes, disturbed.. And immediately pushed my Quran deep inside of my backpack and tried to act normal. As long as I see, he should be acting normal. Is there anything wrong with travelling with your holly book? I got very disappointed but didn't say a thing.

 

After some time, while I was by myself looking around in the museum, same security guy came to me, and introduced himself as a fellow muslim in a whisper that even superman probably may have hard time to hear in an inch .

 

Anyway, It is not like this everywhere and it is not always but still the probability of bumping into situations like this is very real and true.
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Islam has had a lot of negative press lately but it is your right to serve Allah and carry any holy book you desire, who cares what the guard thought. I am sure if he had said anything negative you could have reported him. I have a qu'ran and also book of Mormon and Bible but I do not practice these religions. I attended church at one time but no more
Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε
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Originally posted by Scorpius

Originally posted by eaglecap

Turkey is a secular state, Infact more secular than USA.

Remember, I have spent time in Istanbul- love the people!! I know your constitution allows freedom of religion but in reality being a Christian there is hard and they have to keep a low profile. I know because I talked to born again Christian Turks while I was there, so if Turkey is truly a secular country then why do christians fear their own government for their religous beliefs??? I also noticed that Prostestant churches were very low profile and hard to find although not the Roman Catholic or Orthodox churches.
 

I wrote here quite some time ago , tried to find it but couldn't so I will be repeating myself but anyway :)

 

If you are a minority in a country (in terms of anything, especially religion), it is usually hard.

Last year I was visiting Washington for business purposes. And in my spare time I wanted to visit some museums. The thing is I almost always carry my Quran in my backpack. So guess what? A museum comes with a security check. One of the security guys found my Quran in my backpack, looked at me in the eyes, disturbed.. And immediately pushed my Quran deep inside of my backpack and tried to act normal. As long as I see, he should be acting normal. Is there anything wrong with travelling with your holly book? I got very disappointed but didn't say a thing.

 

After some time, while I was by myself looking around in the museum, same security guy came to me, and introduced himself as a fellow muslim in a whisper that even superman probably may have hard time to hear in an inch .

 

Anyway, It is not like this everywhere and it is not always but still the probability of bumping into situations like this is very real and true.



In less intellectual environments I have encountered such occasions quite a few times. The comments that people utter can be down right disturbing, especially when they do not know that you are of that faith.
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Originally posted by es_bih


Originally posted by Scorpius

Originally posted by eaglecap

Turkey is a secular state, Infact more secular than USA. Remember, I have spent time in Istanbul- love the people!! I know your constitution allows freedom of religion but in reality being a Christian there is hard and they have to keep a low profile. I know because I talked to born again Christian Turks while I was there, so if Turkey is truly a secular country then why do christians fear their own government for their religous beliefs??? I also noticed that Prostestant churches were very low profile and hard to find although not the Roman Catholic or Orthodox churches.



<p style="margin: 0in 1.5pt 0.75pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: black; font-family: Verdana;" lang="EN">I wrote here quite some time ago , tried to find it but couldn't so I will be repeating myself but anyway :)<o:p></o:p></span>


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<p style="margin: 0.75pt 1.5pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: black; font-family: Verdana;" lang="EN">If you are a minority in a country (in terms of anything, especially religion), it is usually hard. <o:p></o:p></span>


<p style="margin: 0.75pt 1.5pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: black; font-family: Verdana;" lang="EN">Last year I was visiting <st1:state w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Washington</st1:place></st1:state> for business purposes. And in my spare time I wanted to visit some museums. The thing is I almost always carry my Quran in my backpack. So guess what? A museumcomes witha security check. One of thesecurity guys found my Quran in my backpack, looked at me in the eyes, disturbed.. And immediately pushed my Quran deep inside of my backpack and tried to act normal. As long as I see, he should be acting normal. Is there anything wrong with travelling with your holly book? I got very disappointed but didn't say a thing.<o:p></o:p></span>


<p style="margin: 0.75pt 1.5pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: black; font-family: Verdana;" lang="EN"><o:p></o:p></span>


<p style="margin: 0.75pt 1.5pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: black; font-family: Verdana;" lang="EN">After some time, while I was by myself looking around in the museum, same security guy came to me, and introduced himself as a fellow muslim in a whisper that even superman probably may have hard time to hear in an inch . <o:p></o:p></span>


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<p style="margin: 0.75pt 1.5pt 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: black; font-family: Verdana;" lang="EN">Anyway, It is not like this everywhere and it is not always but still the probability of bumping into situations like this is very real and true.</span>








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In less intellectual environments I have encountered such occasions quite a few times. The comments that people utter can be down right disturbing, especially when they do not know that you are of that faith.


I think people know this but my concept, 1st Amendment, is anything is open to criticism, all religions, political views, philosophies etc. One Christian told me that when someone attacks his faith he seeks answers and if someone is strong in what they believe then they should not be threatened.

Edited by eaglecap - 31-Jan-2008 at 20:07
Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε
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