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  Quote Neithan Voronda Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Sunnis and Shiites
    Posted: 14-Feb-2005 at 21:34
Can someone please tell me the difference between the Sunnis and the Shiites Thanks
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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2005 at 03:32

Originally posted by Neithan Voronda

Can someone please tell me the difference between the Sunnis and the Shiites Thanks

well

i will try to mention some of the main differences

the sunnies think that AbuBaker is the 1st Caliph after the prophet

the shiites think that Ali is the right person to be the 1st Caliph after the prophet

by that the sh*ttes dont like  AbuBaker, Omar and Othoman who are the 1st, 2nd and the 3rd Caliphs

and from that many things came to make bigger difference

but that was the main part which made the difference

and there are more that one type of sh*ttes, as far as i know some of them think that Ali is the prophet or the one who should be Prophet and Jebrael the Angel made a mistake and dellivered the message to Mohammed (pbuh)

 

 

 

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  Quote Sparten Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Dec-2007 at 10:42

Thats palpably not true my friend. Sunni; majority, Shia; Shiat-ul-Ali; Party of Ali. In religious beliefs there is little difference, there are come difference in substantive law, but then the Sunnis have many differences within as well.

 

 

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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Dec-2007 at 03:42

what was not true in my post?

 
i mentioned some of the main differences, i didn't get into why those differences took place.
 
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  Quote Al Jassas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Dec-2007 at 09:10
Hello to you all
 
I don't like to talk about the Sunni-Shia dispute but saying the differences in religion are similar is quite untrue.
 
 The first major difference is the belief in the infaliability of the Imam and in some Shia sect, direct revelation from God. Also that Imams are better than all prophets except Muhammad. This is Blasphamy according to Sunni Doctrine.
 
Also, the position of Shia from the Sahaba is much more serious than you think. Many shia scholars, especially early ones, say nothing more than that they were bad muslims that betrayed the prophet. But After the Persification of Shiasm, many scholars including most of today's scholars go even further by excommunicating them and saying that the Quran that we have today is doctored by early companions of the prophet so that the real religion, ie Shiasm, is not practiced. This is even more serious since it says essentially that we have the wrong Quran.
 
A Final note, read a copy of the Quran printed in Iran, they don't allow the standard copy printed in Saudi Arabia to enter there, and you will find several additions to the Text by them. This is blasphamy even in Shia doctrine, to tamper with the Quran.
 
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  Quote Killabee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Dec-2007 at 10:30
I read that Abu Lulu, the murderer of Second Caliph Umar, is revered by the Iranian Shiite. Is it true?
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  Quote erkut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Dec-2007 at 23:43
Well Islam divided at Kerbela. Untill that day all Muslims were united.
Yeap, there were some Muslims says Ali should be Chalip at that time too, but at that time even Ali had accepted Abu Bakir as Chalip. Also there has been a conflict between Ali and Muavie. After Ali's death his son Hassan accept Muavie as Chalip, but he assasinated than. So Husein become leader of opposition eventualy. Ali followers(shiee) invite Husein to Kum city. So he started his jorney from Mecca to Kum. But when Husein arrived Kerbela, Yezid* kills him. So the Ali followers totally leaves Sunni's that day.
 
*P.S.; some says that Yezid was Muavie's son, some says he was just and officer under the command of Muavie.


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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Dec-2007 at 05:26
i think the division started  after the assassination of the Third Caliph Uthman.
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A while ago I ask this question and below was the answer I got, hopefully might in some way answer your question:
 
The differences between Sunni and Shī‘ah sects of Islam started out as political over a dispute of who should become the leader after Muhammad's death. Over time, differences have evolved in theological issues as well as socio‑political attitudes.

Immediately following the death of Muhammad in 632 C.E., the issue of who would become his successor caused a major rift. Ali and Aisha are the central figures at the origin of the Shī‘ah-Sunni split. Muhammad's daughter Fatima married Ali, her father's first cousin. Ali was opposed by Aisha, Muhammad's child-bride who was the daughter of Abu Bakr.

The term Shī‘ah ( شيعة‎) is a shortened form of Shī‘aht Ali (شيعة علي) , which means "the followers of Ali" - and at the time of Ali's death in 661 C.E., that is probably all it was: a party or tendency of people who supported Ali's claims to the caliphate. Shī‘ah do not worship Ali as some people mistakenly believe. Shī‘ah feel that Ali should have been the first caliph and that the caliphate should pass down only to direct descendants of Mohammed via Ali and Fatima, They often refer to themselves as Ahl al Bayt or "people of the house" [of the prophet]. Sunni ( سني) comes from sunna ( سنة) the Arabic word meaning traditions of the Prophet. Sunni are also referred to as Ahl ul-Sunna wa-l-Jama'ah (Arabic: أهل السنة والجماعة) (people of tradition and congregation) which implies that the Sunni are united. Shī‘ah sects include Twelvers, Ismaili, Alawi and Zaidiyyah.

Beliefs "Aqeedah" ( عقيدة) —
Sunni have two sets of enumerated creeds, the Six articles of belief and the Five Pillars of Islam. On the other hand, Shī‘ah Twelvers have the Roots of Religion and the Branches of Religion.

The six Sunni articles of belief (see Shi'ah roots) are:
o- Tawhīd ( توحيد) (monotheism) Allah is the one and only one worthy of all worship.
o- Nubuwwah (prophethood) and Rusul (messengers) sent by Allah.
o- Kutub (books) Allah (including the Qur'an)
o- Mala'ika (angels)
o- Qiyâmah (يوم القيامة) (Day of Resurrection and Judgment) (Qur'an 71.18) (Qur'an 31.34, 74.47) (Qur'an 72.130) (Qur'an 74.9) (Qur'an 74.38)
o- Qadar (fate)

The five Shī‘ah "usūl al-dīn" (roots of religion) are:
o- Tawhīd ( توحيد) (monotheism) Allah is the one and only one worthy of all worship. (Tawhid is derived from the root a,h,d = one)
o- Nubuwwah (prophethood)
o- Adalah (justice)
o- Imāmah (Leadership)
o- Qiyâmah (يوم القيامة) (Day of Judgment)
(Qur'an 71.18) (Qur'an 31.34, 74.47) (Qur'an 72.130) (Qur'an 74.9) (Qur'an 74.38).

The Sunni five Pillars of Islam:
o- Shahādah (testimony of faith)
o- Salāt (prayer) 5 times per day
o- Sawm (fasting during daylight hours of the month of Ramadan) (Qur'an 2:183-185)
o- Zakāt (alms of 2.5%) - Khums (The Charity of 20%)
o- Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca)

The twelve Shī‘ah "furū al-dīn" (branches of religion) are:
o- Salāt (Prayer) includes Shahādah (testimony of faith) with belief in Ali (3-5 times per day)
o- Sawm (fasting during daylight hours of the month of Ramadan) (Qur'an 2:183-185)
o- Zakāt (Poor-rate) Khums (One-fifth)
o- Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca)
o- Jihād جهاد‎ (Struggle to please Allah)
o- Walayah - Guardianship
o- Taharah - Purity & cleanliness
o- Amr-Bil-Ma'rūf (Enjoining what is good)
o- Nahi-Anil-Munkar (Forbidding what is evil)
o- Tawalla (Loving Ahl al-Bayt and their followers )
o- Tabarra (Disassociating from the enemies of the Ahl al-Bayt)

Kutub given to prophets by Allah
o- Sahífa (scroll revealed to Nuh)
o- Sahífa (scroll revealed to Ibráhím)
o- Taurat (the book revealed to Músa)
o- Zabúr (the psalms revealed to Dawúd)
o- Injíl (the gospel revealed to 'Isa)
o- Qur'án (the Koran revealed to Muhammad)

The Sunni shahada is:
لا إله إلا الله ومحمد رسول الله Lā 'ilāha 'illā llāha wa Muhammadun rasūlu llāhi
The Shi'ah shahada is:
La iláha il Alláh, Muhammadan Rasúl Alláh,
-- and the phrase -- Alíyun Walí-Alláh, Wasíyu Rasulillah, wa Khalífa tuhu bila fasl.
"There is no god but Alláh, Muhammad is the Messenger of Alláh, Alí is the friend of Alláh. Ali is the successor of the Messenger of Allah and his first caliph."

Ashura ( عاشوراء‎) - 10th of Muharram (January 29, 2007):
The 1st of Muharram is New Year's Day, and with it marks the beginning of the Islamic (Hijri) calendar. Both Sunni and Shī‘ah celebrate New Year. Shī‘ah practice Maatam (self-flagellation) is practiced on Ashura, the 10th of Muharram, in a mourning ritual for Hussain ibn Ali. Sunni consider this to be haram (forbidden).

Since the 10th century, a distinctive institution of Shī‘ah Islam is the doctrine of "imamah" and "`ismah" (the spiritual leadership of the twelve Imams and their infallibility) the other dogmata developed still later. Shī‘ah argue that a person prone to errors of judgement and sin cannot lead people spiritually. On the other hand, Sunni consider an imam to be merely a prayer leader.

Sunni recognize four "madhab" (مذهب pl. مذاهب ) schools of legal thought. The founder is called the "muhaddith".
--o Hanafi (founded by An Numan ibn Thabit Abu Hanifa ca. 700-67 C.E.)
--o Maliki (founded by Abd Allah Malik ibn Anas ca. 715-95 C.E.)
--o Shafi'i (founded by Muhammad ibn Idris ash-Shafi`i 767-820 C.E.)
--o Hanbali (founded by Ahmad ibn Muhammad bin Hanbal 780-855 C.E.)

Shī‘ah generally follow
--o Jafri (founded by Ja'far ibn Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Husayn)

Sunni accepted "ijtihad" as an important source of legislation, but they had practically blocked the road for any original thinking on the matters of reframing the laws in accordance with changing times. The Shī‘ah, with their emphasis on "`aql", kept the door of new thinking on legislation open, and they gave much scope to reason for exercising its power. Similarly the notion of "ijma`" (consensus), which was emphasized much by the Sunnis and was given only a very minor role to play in legislation by the Shī‘ah, came to be accepted as the basis of democratization by Shī‘ah scholars.

So far as the justification of "taqiyyah" (dissimulation) is concerned, the Islamic scholar Amini admits that the Sunni also follow it for it is an expedient method to ensure the survival of a faith under hostile regimes.

According to the Islamic scholar, Hamid Enayet, Sunni believe in the inherent goodness of man, whereas Shī‘ah believe that man is essentially sinful and carries a sense of guilt.

Shī‘ah divorce and inheritance in that it is more favorable to women than Sunni practice. Supposedly the reason for this is the high esteem in which Fatima, the wife of Ali and the daughter of Muhammad, was held. Shī‘ah recognize the practice of "muttah" ( نكاح المتعة‎ ) (fixed-term temporary marriage) which the Sunni forbid.

On a practical daily level, the "adhan" (call to prayer) is different for Shī‘ah and Sunni. Each practice wudu (partial ablutions) ghusl (full ablutions for Friday prayer) and salat (prayer) differently. During salat when prostrating, Shī‘ah place the forehead onto a piece of hardened clay from Karbala, not directly onto the prayer mat, whereas Sunni put their forehead directly on the prayer mat. During prayer, Shī‘ah hold their hands at their sides whereas Sunni fold their hands. Shī‘ah tend to combine prayers, sometimes worshipping three times per day instead of five as the Sunni do.

Shī‘ah also have some different ahadith and prefer those narrated by Ali and Fatima to those related by other companions of the Prophet. Because of her opposition to Ali, those narrated by Aisha count among the least favored.

These differences are significant as evidenced by the conflict between Sunni and Shī‘ah in Iraq.

Significant differences are also in manner of dress for clerics, slightly different postures for prayer and differences regarding belief in the "mahdi" (divinely guided one of endtimes) and "dajjal" (antichrist).

Other differences are because of the culture in the country where they live. Iran is predominantly Shī‘ah and many of the clerics in Iraq were trained in Iran. Almost all Iranians were Sunni for many centuries, and they embraced the Shī‘ah faith on mass scale only after Safawids came in power (1502 C.E.)
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  Quote Richard XIII Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jun-2008 at 17:34
Something like shiia - catholic and suuni - protestants? Maybe is a stupid questionEmbarrassed.
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  Quote Suren Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jun-2008 at 18:00
More like Shia - catholic and sunni - orthodox 
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  Quote Sparten Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jun-2008 at 18:25
Not even close. The Shia-Sunni divide is both real and non existant.
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It's just something that has become another colonialist tool but one which they are pretty crap at using except on their own populations.
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What ever belief you assign to a Shia I will find you a Sunni who believes the same and vice versa
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