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Gubook Janggoon 
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 Topic: Who are these people?Posted: 14-Feb-2005 at 15:54 |
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Who are they?
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El_Bandito
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Posted: 14-Feb-2005 at 20:16 |
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Both seem to be Korean. Top one is a high official and bottom one is a general. Is that a katana I see?
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Neithan Voronda
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Posted: 14-Feb-2005 at 21:22 |
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If the second one is holding a katana then isn't he Japanese...because didn't the Samurai carry katana's only..and not Koreans...correct me if I'm mistaken
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battleaxe
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Posted: 14-Feb-2005 at 21:34 |
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El bandito was being quite general when he said "katana". Korean swords and Japanese are quite similar but different in a number of ways...for example korean swords do not have grooves...and also they can be two-sided, as opposed to the katana which are always one-sided. the general is holding a korean sword.
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coolstorm
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Posted: 14-Feb-2005 at 21:55 |
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i believe they are koreans.
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明犯強漢者 雖遠必誅
釣 魚 列 島 乃 我 中 華 之 固 有 領 土 ， 屬 中 華 民 族 萬 代 之 基 業 ， 斷 不 容 任 何 外 國 勢 力 染 指 |
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Gubook Janggoon
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Posted: 14-Feb-2005 at 23:27 |
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Ok...I know they're Korean...I was wonder specificly who they
were. I'm tenatively guessing that the first dude is Gen. Kim
Yushin...but that's just a guess...I know he's from the Shilla kingdom
b/c of his headgear. I'm not too sure about the latter.
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babyblue
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Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 05:57 |
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yeah like as if we're gonna know...
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chessrook1
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Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 12:56 |
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The one in the middle is Chosun Kingdoms Admiral Yi Soon Shin. He defeated the Japanese Samurai fleet sent by Toyotomi Hideyoshi to invade Chosun and lead by Konishi Ukita, Wakizaka Yasuharu, and Kobayakawa Hideaki. Hes one of the greatest sea Admirals in history but hes only known to the Japanese and Koreans. I doubt westerners really know about him but in my opinion, as a non-Korean, this guy is greater than any Admirals of history equal to Sir Francis Drake and Sir John Hawkins and second only to Admiral Zheng He IMO. He destroyed a thousand Japanese pirate ships without the lost of one of his ships. He built the first submarines and ironclad ships while Leonardo Da Vinci was scratching his head on designing an early prototype of the submarine on paper and way before Americas ironclad submarines in the Civil War or the British Dreadnaught ships. During the Meji Restoration and up to WW2, he was deified as a god to the Imperial Japanese Navy. Check these threads and websites out: Im currently watching a show about him here in Chicago in the Korean Channel. The first four episodes features massive battles between the Chosun and Ming Navy versus the Japanese pirate fleet lead Konishi, Wakisaka, and Shimazu. I recorded the first four episodes in my TV tuner card. Edited by chessrook1 |
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battleaxe
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Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 14:20 |
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hey gubookjangun, the first guy cant be Kim Yu-Shin as he is wearing a crown. kim yu-shin was never a king.
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Gubook Janggoon
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Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 17:52 |
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Wow..he looks totally different than he does in his court dress picture..
He was related to the royal line though..by being a descendent of King Suro of Gaya..who's line intermarried with Shillas... Well if it isn't Kim Yushin, who is it? |
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battleaxe
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Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 22:22 |
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but even if he is related to the kaya royal line there is still no way that he could have had his portrait painted with a crown on his head...he was not king. It could be any of the 3-kingdoms age kings, Taejong Muyeolwang maybe?
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Gubook Janggoon
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Posted: 16-Feb-2005 at 00:34 |
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I know he has to be from Shilla, b/c of the style of the crown..but
that's about it...Taejong Muyelwang? I've never heard of him...
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battleaxe
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Posted: 16-Feb-2005 at 00:59 |
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you might know him as Kim Chun-Chu. Kim Yu-Shin's buddy/ brother-in-law
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demon
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Posted: 24-Feb-2005 at 18:33 |
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The first one is Kim Yu Shin. That Crown has a story behind it - all Kims (only nobles had surnames) used Gold Crowns. And it is no coincidence that Kim has an obvious definition: gold. Shilla era did not restrict the use of golden ornaments to kings. Nobles had them also- that's my point. |
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Grrr..
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Gubook Janggoon
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Posted: 24-Feb-2005 at 21:56 |
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Thanks a bunch Demon! Just as I suspected...
I have a few more questions... Could this be Emperor Taeje of the Goryeo dynasty? (Wang Geon)  And could someone provide me some info on Jang Bogo? I know there is a new drama about him called Haeshin...My knowledge is limited that he is somehow connected to the sea and that he lived during the unifed Shilla period... Here's a pic  |
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chaeohk
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Posted: 26-Feb-2005 at 22:49 |
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jangbogo fought off the pirates that were controlling the
waterways..... umm thats the extent of my knowledge... i also think
that he was killed by yummun....sorry if u can't recongize...i am not
good with korean-english writing
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Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner
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To say that Admiral Yi is greater than Drake, etc., is very subjective. Yi had a great record against the Japanese, but he never faced an opponent with equal or superior naval technology, AFAIK. He also never invented a "submarine"--where did that story come from? |
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Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner
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Posted: 27-Feb-2005 at 10:07 |
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That would be a Continental Asian equivalent to a katana. In Chinese, it would be called a dao (saber), of which there are many varieties. I must confess that I don't know the Korean term. |
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I'll hit on the head that it resounds in his heart." --Augustin Staidt, of the Federfechter (German fencing guild) |
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demon
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Posted: 13-Mar-2005 at 13:44 |
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Well, drake never had to build his own navy, build farms for his men, forge weapons for his men, etc. Yi basically made an entire army out of nothing. He's okay in that respect.
Good point...! Maybe he used a translation machine. |
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Grrr..
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Gubook Janggoon
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Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 00:42 |
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More questions for you history buffs out there...
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