Are Albanians related to Greeks?

Or making (wait, i'm haivng little trouble with this word now) fun for us.

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Originally posted by neritan Dyqanxhi(storekeeper) isn't an albanian word. is an turkish word Exist dyqan for 'Store, shop' in albanian, but is an word loan from turkish

dyqan (albanian), d�kkan (turkish) these words are arabic: dukk�n.

 

  

 

Turkish isnt related with Arabic. Arabic is Semitic, Turkish is Ural-Altaic. But Ottoman governmental Turkish was heavily influenced with Arabic vocabulary.

Originally posted by rider But Turkish has developed from Arabic or was on it's own group? I am telling you, these posts by Aiolos were the best I had seen in months.

Who is Aiolos?

Sorry, I meant Aeolus..

And the god of winds he was too.

no it's not true Albania has nothing i mean nothing in coment with Albania in cascuan region thats typically Greek and Serbian propaganda

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Originally posted by dorian Albanians have nothing in common with the Albanians from Caucasus? So it's a simple coincidence that Albanians are first time mentioned in Balkans in the 11th century when the Albanians from Caucasus came to Balkans?

That's a Serbian-nationalist theory that doesn't seem to have much ground, does it? How do you know that the "Albanians" from Caucasus came to the Balcans at all. I thought that was just a name used in ancient times for Azerbaijan, the same that Georgia was called Iberia (nothing to do with Iberians from Spain). Britain in general and Scotland in particular were also called Alba and Albion at times. Besides, Albanians called themselves Shqiperi or something like that.

Originally posted by Illyrian no it's not true Albania has nothing i mean nothing in coment with Albania in cascuan region thats typically Greek and Serbian propaganda

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Arvanites were not Albanians, well not 'pure' at least..
They were a mixture of Albanians and local Hellines, Hellines that had been in the area (Epiros) since the time of King Pyrros... From the ancient district of Arvonos as recorded in the Alexiad book 4 by Anna Komnene..

It becomes even more clear that these two people are totally different while reading the letter of Jacomo Barbarrigo towards the Germans in 1479 where he stated:

"The Arvanites and the Hellines are nothing more than the same people that hate every foreigner"

or the Venetian Senate's declaration in 1471 :

"The major part of our mercenary troops are Hellines and Arvanites Hellines"

Mazaris in his 'Epidhmia Mazari en Adou' while describing the population of Peloponnesos describes Arvanites and Albanians as two separate people, obviously because he saw the difference before the fairy tale similar to the one you mention above was constructed..

While we must accept that there was an Albanian population in Hellas as  various toponyms like Spata, Liosia, Lala in Peloponnesos...etc (from the homonymus tribes).. disclose..
Note that, Florentine Dukes Nerios I and Antonio I brought in approx. 5000 to work in the fields of Athens, which is how the areas got the names.
Later during J.Katakouzinos' reign approx. some 10.000 were 'invited' and another 10.000 during the reign of T. Palaiologos A'..

There are always a couple of misconceptons based on the well organized propaganda, for example: the place-name Koropi, that is nothing more than pure Albanian propaganda which actually smears the good name of a real Hellinic patriot. That of DHMHTRHS KOROPHS killed in the battle of Marathon in 1824.
The name is nothing more than an intentional corruption of the ancient name KRWPIAS in honor of the dead hero...

The ancient name is seen in Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War book 2 . 19,2

"and putting to flight some Athenian horse at a place called Rheiti, or the Brooks, they then advanced, keeping Mount Aegaleus on their right, through Kropia, until they reached Acharnae, the largest of the Athenian demes or townships."

While the Arvanites undoubtably did, the Albanians under no condition did assist us in our war of independance.
On the contrary they only acted in their own personal interest as seen in the event of siding with Manuel Komnenos to take over Mani and overthrow the Paleologos (after asking for the district of Korinth) only to be slaughtered by Tourahan when he returned, for their rebelion against the empire.

Or the Lala and Mpardouniotes situated in Peloponnesos by the Ottomans to assist in their attacks on Mani.. one of them being the massacre of Koroni that lead to the capture of Mauromixalis...
These were the same clans that terrorized the entire peninsula as seen recorded in Kolokotronis' and Mauromichalis' memoirs, Finley, Castelan, Segios Makraios, Sathas, Tsigos, Berar...etc

And before someone dares to make claims on Marko Botsari :

"Here, secluded from the rest of the world, and before the Ottoman arms or the plundering Albanians invaded their peace, the family of the Bozzari ruled supreme, and Marco, tending his father's flocks, conceived those ideas of military glory which were afterwards developed in combating for the liberties of Greece."

SOURCE:
Greece and the Levant; or, Diary of a summer's excursion in 1834: with epistolary supplements. By the Rev. Richard Burgess., Burgess, Richard, 1796-1881.
P.78


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