What do you thinkabout the Islamic Revolution

Originally posted by basibozuk Guy do not believe the bull sh*t of free markets, that is only good for 10% of the people in a country, if you do not believe me compare Europe with USA. say me where is it better live, with or without health care and social systems. You have missed the great thing about Free MArkets. If the people don't participate now, they are allowed to in the future, so growth is the what sets us apart. Turkey has a system meant for growth and diversement while Iran is socialistic, weak but for its resources, ever dwindling. People have health care in Turkey, not great health care, but a functioning one.

Iran is not weak and ever dwindling and has more resources then just oil, we only exploit oil till it runs dry then we have toehrs we can fall back on.... Get educated about Iran before commenting please.

Originally posted by Zagros Monarchy in my humble opinion does not have a place in a modern society.  What is the point in a constituional monarchy?

Well it is more of a balance and check, like the Role of the Queen of England, she is a figure head, we need the King, it is the central role he would play in Iranian lives not as a desicion making system.

A king should be responsible for Religious Harmony, A member of all faiths, he should be responisble for Cultural aspects and continuation in Iran, I am king in the not so political sense of what the Shah was.

I never defended the Shah, his time and his families is over..... Shah is related to my by his Father Reza Shah Khan was my great grandmothers Uncle (or was it Great Great Grandmother). It means nothing at all but I only put this in to show I do not support him or his son, or think of his son as a Future king like those Iranians in America do.

For the record my family never benefited from the Shah or had dealings with him, another reason we are not muslims too....

Anyways back to the point, Kingship is cruical to Iranian society as a role model for us not as a leader. I do not support the Islamic revolution either, I think the people should have a Republic and a constitional Monarchy, religion should not be involved in Politics and freedom for all and rights for all.

 

 

Reza Shah Khan was the Man, he held Iran together and no Ayatollah or Mulla would openly oppose him. Read of a story where at Friday prayers when his wife was changing into the lighter Chador the Mullah walked in and chastised her for seeing her hair and face, later that day he came in, lifted the Mullah with one had and Nailed the Veil to his forhead and banned wearing the Veil and Chador.....

Hrsh yes but it seem that the Mullahs and Akhoons of Iran only understand this type of language. They have their circle and are destroying Islam, Iranian culture and language and our independece and diversity.

During the revoloution some even tried to destroy Takht-e Jamshid, the army was called to stop them and their followers.... those excuse my langauge bastards...... Wolves in sheep clothing is what I call them.

 lol or Jackals

saka,

Iran  could be the most rich country of the world but those pedarsag europeen american and arabian do not let our country alone because they fear us

you forgot the jews saka,and of course green martians who dont want great iran  to progress...
stop  blaming the west for your backwardness.its not west faults that its rich.throw off the mad mullahs yoke and imancipate the women and than you will see true progress.

Iran  could be the most rich country of the world but those pedarsag europeen american and arabian do not let our country alone because they fear us

Oh, come on! Iran could be the richest country in the world but your own people didnt let you be so. And I dont see any reason fot them to fear you.

secularism or with religion. Best example Turkey

Religious reformation is the key to become modernized. Ex: Reformation of Europe and now Islamic world is 500 years backwards since some of our caliphs once told us that the press technology was the sin of kafers.

The lack of religious reformation causes ignorant generations celebrating events such as 11th September, shiks who can easily divorce one of her wives if she cant prepare fine coffee, and stoning some women to death. ex: Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.

Originally posted by Oguzoglu .The lack of religious reformation causes ignorant generations celebrating events such as 11th September, shiks who can easily divorce one of her wives if she cant prepare fine coffee, and stoning some women to death. ex: Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.

I think you misunderstood the whole trend here. We are not comparing if you are better with religious fanatics or not. We are saying, religious fanaticism is not the problem being religious fanaticism. The problem is the word "fanaticism". In anything it will be destructive. German Nazzi fanaticism to the Aryan superiority ideology was destructive to Germany at the end, but Germany was advanced technlologically and even more during the Nazzis than before that time. Therefore, there is no correlation between advancement in science and education and what type of governemnt necessary. Science and education is acheived by fair opportunities, less corruption, support for development and not only if you are secular or not.  Would you like to compare Turkey to Romania or Bulgaria? all of those are secular state. Any reasons you would like to tell us of the failure of the Turkish secular experience?

By the way, in Mexico, the public celebrated 9/11 and it was reported hundreds visited the Saudi Embassy to congratulate!!

Bottom line, it is the poor education and not if you are a secular or religion state. As far as I remember, Mexico is a very secular state if it wasn't the case they are anti-religion too confiscating church properties over the past 50 years.

Please stay on topic guys.

 Khalkhali

toff be roohesh, he killed so many people.

Originally posted by �ok ge� Note that it does not matter what system the state is using (secular, Sharia, Civil law court, common law court...etc). The failure of the system is the failure of maintaining an independent judicial system from the State authorities. Khalkhali is just an example of many other examples where the state exercises its power through the judges and biases are very common. When a 14-year-old boy he had had executed turned out to be innocent, Khalkhali remarked that the child was not on his conscience because he had "sent him to heaven"!!!

I know what an ass. I'd kill him without hesitation if he was alive. Of course that would do nothing for all the poor children and innocents he killed.

Originally posted by Moustafa Pasha The Islamic revolution in Iran is the worst thing that did happen in the Middle East. What we need in that area is to have secular governments totally separated from religion.

I thought they did have a secular government in Iran during the shah reign and they weren't better at all. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Shah time was characterized with growing filthy richer sect of the soceity and lots of corruption. Not even to mention that freedom wasn't respected at all and it is well known too what the Shah has done to his oppositions.