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Caoimhe
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Topic: Michael Collins Irish Revolutionary Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 07:54 |
Michael Collins was an integral part of the Irish Independence struggle with Arthur Griffith going as far as to call him "the man who won the War". Collins had joined the IRB, a secret society dedicated to establishing an independent Irish Republic, at the age of 19. He fought in the 1916 Rising and was later interned. During the War of Independence Collins held multiple roles, being simultaneously, the Minister for Finance and Director of Intelligence of the Army. Collins was also the on the delegation that negotiated the Anglo-Irish Treaty and later became the Head of the Provisional Government. At the Time of his death he was the Commander-in-chief of the Irish Free State Army.
Today is the 85th anniversary of Collins death in an ambush so I thought I would start this thread to see what people here thought of him.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 08:26 |
History has a way of ignoring national heroes flaws very easily... People overlook, for example, that Churchill created the worlds first concentration camps in South Africa during the Boer War.
Collins will however go down in history as the man that would rather sign a compromised peace than bring more death and ruin to Ireland. Even today I hear people slander him, calling him a British puppet, and thats just moronic.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 09:03 |
Our entire nation owes a due to Michael Collins.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 10:48 |
I think there are very few people, if any, who think of Collins as a "British Puppet" today, he was treated rather shabbily by certain quarters in the past alright but that resulted mainly in a wall of silence leading him to be airbrushed out of history. However since the movie came out you have Fianna Fil trying to claim him as their own and even Sinn Fin have softened up on him! Actually you're far more likely to get someone calling him a terrorist nowadays which is just historically incorrect.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 10:57 |
Ah, he was, under the 'definition' of the term terrorist, a terrorist, but just not in the modern sense of the word..Which is in fact disputed highly..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism
What's that saying, one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter..
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 11:08 |
Terrorism is a silly little word. The United States cluster bombing tactics couldn't be called terrorism? Just last week a British army officer steamed off at a load of yanks to the press, saying that their tactics was creating more problems in Afghanistan (The yanks seem to be very fond of horrendous airstrikes which kill innocents)
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 11:38 |
Originally posted by Dolphin
Ah, he was, under the 'definition' of the term terrorist, a terrorist, but just not in the modern sense of the word..Which is in fact disputed highly..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism
What's that saying, one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter..
| Actually no you can't call Collins a terrorist, unless that is, you are going to use a definition so simplistic it would include practically every person who has ever used violence, thus making the calling of Collins a pointless and cosmetic action. Adding mindless cliches would reinforce that pointlessness tbh.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 11:46 |
yea you're right, fodhl, right as rain good man
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 19:33 |
Collins was not a lovely man but still one of the most important in Irelands modern history with say, Charles Parnell and Gerry Adams. A reminder of times when the IRA and assorted company weren't just crooks waving a patriotic flag whilst kneecapping their countrymen.
@Parnell- the use of air strikes is a bitch. Either the US does things like the Indians in Kashmir (i.e. maximum use of infantry, little to no civilian casualties), losing a lot of men, and gets slated in the press or they save lives, bomb everyone and get slated in the press. Not that I'm defending civilians, just saying they are screwed every which way. One of the other reasons is that SOF teams are under equipped to take on big Taliban groups requiring the use of numerous air strikes.
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