Dresden

Bombing Dresden and bombing Hiroshima was perfectly acceptable.  That said, the Germans were also justified in bombing London.  It's a war, the only moral thing you can do in a war is finish it.  Those mass bombings were intended to win the war (Douhet theory), and thus foreshorten the suffering of nations as much as possible.

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By some peoples standards here, we, the Estonians, have the right to go bomb Moscow!!

Most people dont know that after the first atomic bomb the emperor advocated surrender and the military had a coup to stop it, they peopel in power still even after the first bomb did not want to surrender.  It wasnt evne the second bomb as much as the threat of the Soviets that really pushed them to surrender. 

I think against the axis powers anything was justifiable, they had no qualsm about doing horribel things and startign the frekaing war, for most of his rulership Hilter had popular support so odds are when you drop a bomb on germany your killing majority hilter supporters anyway, same gores with Japan.

And anyway all this fuss about atmoic bombs...gueess what the firebombing of Tokyo killed alot more people than the a bombs idd!

By some peoples standards here, we, the Estonians, have the right to go bomb Moscow!!

I came back from Europe just now with slighly softer views, and so I say that no one has the right to bomb anyone else unless that person already attacked them. If you bomb us expect full retribution and beyond that, just as we would if we bombed you.

no, it's a huge misconception, but Hitler had NO popular support.

Originally posted by dark_one  What? Then how did he get officialy elected?

He didn't, it was due to a parliamentary deal with the German conservatives that got him into power.  But even at the time he had 30% of the German vote, and I'm sure the members of the Deutsche Nationalistische Volkspartei didn't mind him either.  So you are entirely right in saying he had strong public support.  And it grew even larger after he set up his propaganda machine.

Let us don't forget that in winter 1945 the motivation of Germans had changed. They fought desperately in defending their own land. All of them were involved in working for the army. Was teacher who sent teens with bazooki against Russian tanks a civilian? Once I met an old man of Mazurian origin (partialy germanized Poles living in the East Prussia) and he said that during Hitler's regime life was wonderful: there was an order, no crime, he could sell everything he produced, and the wholesale prices were stable... Therefore I think that most of German nation supported and appreciated III Reich. They only forgot one thing:

Qui gladio ferit, gladio perit.

ha, what do you considder major ressistance? the guys you talked abotu where Nazis themselves or made good living udner them, don't forget that Germans rightly felt mistreated by the Allies after WW1 and were ing reat depression, so it shoudln't eb surprisign that Hitler was initially very popular, btu do you think a guy that sends thousands of brothers, fathers and sons into futile wars is liekd in Germany? or picks a random part of population to be deported to deathcamps just because they had a Jew in their lineage? where was the ressistance in Russia against Stalin? we had our Stauffenberg and Sophie Scholl, btu i never headr of any Russian or Japanese miltary or civilian resistance...

 

and aynway, we're a sattelite of France if anything...

Originally posted by Tobodai wel now they have been suitabley indoctrinated into happiness as a sattelite state of the US..thats your fate if you mess around!

I tell you, sometimes I'm sorry that they are no longer proud Teutones   maybe it's been better for the Europe by now,  but who knows the future, "times they are a changing".

Originally posted by Genghis Every reputable historian I've ever heard of says the bombs were necessary.  The only people I hear say they were unnecessary are hacks like Howard Zinn who are just out to bash the United States, or moronic pundits who have no historical background.

Hehehe..dont be so biassed...

Have you ver heard of SIR LIDDEL HART?he was one of the best strategists of 20.century.

Even one ,who reads the Kissinger Diplomacy book, gets the impression that the monopoly of atomic bomb was  so crucial for the post-war status of the U.S...Take a look into Truman-Stalin private chat before the atomic bomb wasnt used.