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    Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 06:14

This is about the time period when the Swedish King Gustaw( was it him???) conquered most of Poland until Swedish wanted to lay a siege on Czestochowa (Polish names are difficult) Cathedral of the Mother of God. On that time period also was the success of Stephan Czarniecki and betrayal of the Radziwill.

And BTW: Who have read the book" The Deluge" by Henryk Sienkiewicz

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  Quote TJK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 09:01

Polish-Sweden War 1655-1660


Swedish who took advantage of Poland s involvement in war with Russia initiated the war. Swedish army broke in Poland s frontiers from Pomorze and Inflanty. 25 VII 1655 general levy of Poznan and Kalisz surrendered to Swedish army at Ujscie.
The Swedish conquerors made a more spectacular success in Lithuania. According to arrangement in Kiejdany (20X1655), most formidable Lithuanian magnates Janusz and Boguslav Radziwills surrendered to Swedish and broke-off Polish- Lithuanian union, which was to be substituted by tight union with Sweden. Ujscie and Kiejdany gave way to series of successes of Swedish army and which enabled Swedish king Karol Gustav to take control of the majority of territory of Poland with the exception of Ukrainian fields and Great Lithuanian Principality occupied by Russian army. 8 IX 1655 Warsaw surrendered, 19 X Krakow. The majority of magnates and Polish nobility joined victorious Karol X Gustaw.

Polish king Jan Kazimierz along with his court and a group of loyal magnates found shelter in Slask. The biggest of the Swedish successes was the treaty signed in Krolewiec on 17 I 1656 between Karol X Gustaw and Fryderyk Wilhelm, Prussian prince and Brandenburg ruler (Kaiser elector). Due to this Fryderyk Wilhelm severed feudal relations with Poland and joined Sweden as a vassal of Karol X Gustaw. Growing anti-swedish attitudes among Polish nobility, successful defense of Jasna Gora Monastery in Czestochowa , Tatar s assistance and a change in position of Russia reversed the fate of the guerilla war. And later on national. guerilla with Stefan Czarniecki as a leader destabilized position of Swedish in Poland.

Jan Kazimierz returned from banishment and on 30 VI 1656 recovered Warsaw from Swedish. During a 3-day battle in Warsaw (28-30 VII 1656) Polish army was defeated by 2 times less numerous Brandenburg-Swedish forces but this fact was not followed by any essential political consequences. Meanwhile Russia made an agreement with Poland. 3 XI 1656 the treaty was signed at Niemiez/Wilno in which Russia in exchange for support in electing tsar Alex for Polish throne, finished war with Poland and created an alliance against Sweden. In this situation Karol X Gustaw admitted that he is not able to held whole the Poland, so he made an attempt to Poland partition. To carry on this plan, he engaged (except elector of Brandenburg), Jerzy Rakoczy prince of Transylvania, Bohdan Chmielnicki (Cossakas leaser) and Boguslav Radziwill. 6XII 1656 at Radnot in Transylvania the try of 1st partition of Poland was established. It has not been carried out though since Austria and Denmark joined the war against Sweden and ally of Karol X Gustaw , Jerzy Rakoczy was severely defeated during retreat from his expedition to Poland. Sweden lost its current ally Fryderyk Wilhelm who had been offered from Poland and its new ally an advantageous treaty/beneficial for Brandenburg. After signing welawa-bydgoszcz treaties (from the names of towns Welawa and Bydgoszcz) Fryderyk Wilhelm freed himself from vassal dependency from King of Poland in Princess Prussia , he left Karol X Gustaw, joined anti-swedish coalition and signed a treaty with Poland, Denmark accessed Austria-Poland-Prussia alliance against Sweden, meanwhile Russia backed off despite the superiority of the coalition, Swedish attack Denmark and they defeated Danish in a rapid campaign.27 II 1658 King of Denmark Fryderik III signed the act of capitulation in Roskilde.

Soon after Karol X Gustaw broke off the treaty from Roskilde and initiated a new war with Denmark. War campaign 1658-59 carried over in Poland, Lithuania and Denmark was slowly bringing victory to the allied states.

In January 1660 in Oliwa, the new peace negotiations were initiated with representatives of fighting states (except from Denmark) and French mediators, resulting with Peace Treaty signed on 3 V 1660. Sweden and Poland kept the state of possession from before the war and Poland promised to surrender pretension for the part of Inflant that had belonged to Sweden before the war. Jan Kazimierz relinquished rights for the throne of Sweden and Fryderyk Wilhelm received the confirmation of decisions from Welawa and Bydgoszcz.

..and of course I have read "The Deluge"



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  Quote boody4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 12:29
I havn't read the book, but I have seen the movie.
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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 11:53
i didnt even know there was a movie...
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  Quote boody4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 21:24
It's a polish movie.
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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 00:06

It also must be said that the Swedes were so much succesfull in the first period of war because big part of polish army went on Swedish side. In fact king John Casimir was betrayed by all, even by his soldiers. Many of polish nobles were not fighting at all, some were fighting on the swedish side, Lithuania was a mess, the treachery of Radziwills, the treachery of Opalinski and nobles from Greater Poland, all this allowed Swedes for so easy conquest of Poland. On the begining of the war most of polish-lithuanian society  showned complete lack of patriotism. Affcourse king John Casimir was in part guilty too. His claims to the swedish throne which were one of the reasons of this war didnt bring him popularity in Poland. And Poland was already weakened by the disastrous rebelion of cossaks on the Ukraine and the war with Russia which wanted to grab eastern half of Ukraine.

As for the movie it was even nominated to Oscars. Really cool and if you interested Rider you should try to get it.



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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 08:02

ill try, but where should i get it???

and in the end, alliance between the khan, russian, Kazimierz, and Chmielnicki

anyway have seen film of "The fire and the sword" (or it was something like that)

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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 08:36
Originally posted by rider

ill try, but where should i get it???

anyway have seen film of "The fire and the sword" (or it was something like that)

Well, i dont even know if it was ever translated into Estonian.

As for the movie "With Fire and sword" it was much worse than the "Deluge" movie. At least in my opinion.

And BTW - how it happend that you Estonian are so much interested in Polish history? I think it is not very common between Estonians.



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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Aug-2004 at 08:51

for me it is..i hate almost all history except, muslim (in second-third crusade), polish, english, spanish and swedish.

and i like cavalry...(hussars)

and in estonian history - i like only the rebellion of Harju in 1353-1355 where almost all citizenz of estonia where massacred (by the livonian order)...

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  Quote boody4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 10:47
Wow, it feels good to hear a non-Pole say Polish history is interesting because most non-Poles here in Canada only think Western European History "exists". They only care about French, English, and Spanish history. Half of them don't even know what Poland is and the other half don't know where it is. 
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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 12:42
Actually, Eastern...and i think American history isn't cool. Western, Eastern European history does not just exist but it HAS CHANGED the course of world history...
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  Quote Evildoer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Sep-2004 at 22:25
I like American History.
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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2004 at 22:58

Originally posted by Evildoer

I like American History.

 

it is not the topic but: 1, after the civil war has there been anything im.. good in there...

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  Quote Evildoer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2004 at 15:44
Actually its quite interesting to learn about Spanish Civil War, the war/red-fever during WWI and Depression. Interesting fact is that when a man criticized the American uniform during WWI, he could be arrested as a traitor... lol.
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  Quote Jalisco Lancer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2004 at 15:55

 

 Hi Evildoer:

  More than glad to discuss about the Spanish Civil War or any other topic that you would like to address, but let's stick to the original topic.

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