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The Fall of the Southern Kingdoms
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    Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 16:04

Originally posted by Sarmata

I think that if it wasn't for Ottoman occupation the southern balkan states may have flourished to a greater extent then the french, italian or Germans. Simply for the fact that Serbia was very close to absorbing the Byzantine empire, and Serbia already had a rich culture during these times. Perhaps if the other european countires contributed a bit more to driving the ottomans out of europe things could have been different, but perhaps they weren't interested in seeing a powerful empire of Serbia or any other Balkan empire, perhaps due to the Christian schism of West and East.

The Serb "Empire" was still a very small state compared to the main European powers and besides, it crumbled before the Ottomans ever set foot in Europe (well, technichally, one year after that). Neither of the Balkan states was politically powerfull, but culturaly the region flourished. The Ottoman conquest really screwed things around here.
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Keep in mind, it was an era of constant fragmentation of Balkan states into smaller hegemonies and all these independent kings, despots and hegemons were seeking external help to handle their civil disputes.

 It comes to mind the case of John Kantakouzinos, one of the contenders of Byzantine throne who find it so easy to ally with Orhan and permit Ottomans this way to have a say in the internal affairs of Byzantine empire. It wasnt difficult for Ottomans to exploit this fact for their own favor.

Ottomans next step was to conquer Thrace, a keypoint who would later help them for their expansion to Europe. Of course this wasnt the only reason. Orthodox populations opposed with fanatism in any further penetration of Catholicism and were willing to do anything and ally with anyone to achieve it. Furthermore Ottomans didnt have to face any serious challenge in Balkans since most Balkan states were in decline, especially the once mighty Byzantine empire. 
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The Byzantine and the bulgarian empire were only a shadow of their former glory.Even they were military powers no more the renesanse had just sterted in the balkans.Culturaly the balkans were one of the most develolpe regions of europe, as they always were
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