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Topic: Does anyone know... Posted: 16-Aug-2007 at 04:37 |
He already posted it... EXPLANATIONA noble cause, I might say... And I wouldn't mind knowing how a firearm works either. It never hurts you to know something (except with the maffia... then it usually hurts...)
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Posted: 16-Aug-2007 at 04:51 |
Guns dont solve anything.
Except Disputes.
Na only joking, I'd rather become an activist for peace than take up arms to protect my country. My life is far too valuable to be lost in order to gain a few yards on a battlefield. And I wouldn't be able to shoot anybody either.
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Posted: 16-Aug-2007 at 10:36 |
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Is that an Irishman talking? lol! Down here the name Royal Irish Rifles get the same warm and fuzzy reputaions as the Waffen SS in Europe. :)
Seriously why do people want "military training" at all. I did National Cadet Course here, and all I learnt was
1) Pakistan is too hot
2) " is too cold
3) " is too dry
4) " is too wet
and most importantly
5) I am a certified coward
Not exactly practical tips for the real world eh?
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Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 18:38 |
Armenian Survival, Google "boot camp" or "combat training" and then "California". Let me know if you come up with anything. Noble thoughts indeed, i've been thinking about re-joining the National Guard at age 40, though Iraq is not quite my cup of tea...
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Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 21:46 |
Hey, konstantinius. I had done those searches earlier, and I found
a couple of good-looking gyms to learn hand-to-hand combat. However, I
can't find a single place which teaches you how to use weapons which
isn't affiliated with the army. They will probably send me to Iraq and
I don't want to practice using firearms against Iraqi civilians.
Btw I want to put more emphasis on weapon/military technology
training rather than getting in shape and learning how to fight (how
often do opposing soldiers engage in hand-to-hand combat?).
My guess is that the only way to learn these things is to join the
army... but I would prefer any legal alternative, if such a thing
exists. Maybe I have to search longer and harder.
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i've been thinking about re-joining the National Guard at age 40, though Iraq is not quite my cup of tea... |
You live in America?
Edited by ArmenianSurvival - 20-Aug-2007 at 21:49
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Posted: 04-Sep-2007 at 00:42 |
A) martial arts, certainly. I suggest aikido, but I admit to some bias, since I take it. B)As people have said, there are plenty of self-defense groups. C)join a weird paranoid militia group. Maybe you can find one that isn't weird,. paranoid, and unprofessional, in which case that would be ideal.
D) the funny solution. Move down to mexico, get citizenship. All mexican males, once they reach eighteen, are expected to report in and be given some basic military training, although they aren't deployed unless they choose the army as their career voluntarily. In previous years, they didn't do a lot of actual firearms and self-defense training, but that has changed.
...Then, emigrate back to the us. I make it sound so simple...;)
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Posted: 06-Sep-2007 at 21:44 |
HHmmm, not sure if Aikido is the best option. Been doing it for 10 years, though I'm still only 1st Kyu. Not the most effective street techniques, at least the way we practice it. It definitely teaches awareness and spatial relationships though, and certainly it is better than doing nothing at all. I recommend MMA/wrestling/Gracie. ALL fights end up on the florr eventually and, man, I don't think there's any defense against Gracie/Jujitsu. Armenian Survival: Yes, i live in SF. If you're near, come by our dojo ( I train there on the side with my friend, a Gracie black belt; also my other friend Gregory who is also 3rd Dan in Aikido has extensive background in Chinese knife techniques and Bagua--sp?; man, his stuff will KILL ya ) On a side note, i was checking a Spanish website for re-enactors of the Liebstandaarte and Das Reich divisions from WW II. These guys are all decked out in uniforms, vehicles, and equipment and they seem to be practicing a lot of infantry-type drills. Not sure who their instructors are or where they get their credentials. Probably old Franko die-hards...
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Posted: 06-Sep-2007 at 23:47 |
Aikido definitely doesn't have the most immediately effective techniques, but I think part of it is that, even more so than many other martial arts, the physical techniques are just a framework. You use them to illustrate a point, and learn spatial relationships and awareness. No one TEACHES the "street" side. Just how it seems to me, But one of the final, unofficial tests seems to be realizing how to just sort of do whatever works and not worry about techniques. I've been practicing for maybe 9 years now, and I feel like what I have to do to understand the more immediately effective side of it is to-in a way-figure it out for myself, and not limit myself. Just a feeling, but whatever.
I would agree that most fights end up on the ground, and ground grappling is the specialty of jujitsu-especially brazilian jujitsu, or so I've heard-But it's great to get some more traditional "punchy" martial arts training as well. I would suggest wing chun kung fu, as it relies on short, efficient, simple movements.
I suggested Aikido because it gives a great framework to hang other bits and pieces on-you learn to be calm, aware, and centered, and then you can sort of mix and match the techniques you do, which are more effective because you learned the mindset first.
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