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Poll Question: Were the Winged Hussars the best cavalry untis in the time period?
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    Posted: 29-Sep-2012 at 19:25
Originally posted by Sarmata

Oh! Krakow has definately changed in the past 10 years or so. its a very touristy place now. some ppl like that, others dont. Im sure you'll enjoy it. If you're a fan of Polish history Krakow is the first place to go! I always try to visit there when i visit family. Make sure to check out Wawel. and apparently theres a new underground museum, i found out about this too late in my last visit and regretably didnt get to see it but i heard good things.

I visited the cathedral at Wawel, but couldn't get tickets to the armory. There's a tower in the town square where a trumpeter was tasked with warning the citizens of the approaching Tatars. He was killed with an arrow halfway through the bugle call
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Sep-2012 at 13:00
Yeah, what he said. Big smile
 
 
 
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Sep-2012 at 11:09
Originally posted by Scanspeak

Originally posted by Huitzilopochtli

I dunno if they were the best,  personally an interesting match up would be Cataphracts versus Hussar



I wonder how someone, who comes from a place where 37% of the population cannot identify its own country on the world map, could be so provident on European history? The results seems to be a virtual confrontation between types of cavalry that existed until the 11c ( for the Cataphract and later Clibanarii ) and one that emerged in the 16c...Should I mention that in the same non-identifiable country, 93% of the population believes in ghosts and around 70% do not know that the sun is a star...And now they come and share their opinion on European history, using some new words that do not appear in proper English, perhaps an incarnation of corrupted communication in a small town with 200 churches bearing different names and proclaiming a different messiah.

I know this post will be deleted but will loose some more tiem and share my opinion on the Winged Hussars.

During their time they were the best cavalry unt in the World. Confrontations with Swedes, Russians, Cossacs ( Berestechko, other battles were lost due to defected registered cossacks or poor command and great inferiority in numbers ), Tatars, Holy Roman Empire. The fact they started to loose battles in the late 18c was mostly due to poor command - they still used the frontal charge tactics which usually leads to a catastrophy when on infantry squares ( if squares remain calm and fire on time ). Uhlans replaced them only because muskets/rifles became too advanced and were able to penetrate armour even at 80m. Cuirassiers, which were a modern alternative to the Husaria, were used to the WWI and proved cruicial in many battles. Technically, the only difference was the use of a broadsword and sometimes a carbine ( less than 15% used one due to its weight ) while the W.Hussars preferred the lance/sabre/pistols combination. They were used properly and proved effective, so it was not a problem of the Winged Hussars that they lost but due to poor command.
In terms of riding skills and efficiency, I would second the Zaporozhian Cossacs.
 
 
 
 
 
Not yet...but your close. And not because you are apparently not knowledgeable...but because of your smart ass rude attitude towards a poster who hasn't been here in 8 years. Let alone defend himself. As to your allegations of knowledge or lack thereof in the country in which you cite. I know who it is that you are attempting to defame.
 
 
 
And as I also know where your posting from this is not unexpected. So be advised... you can opine and ridicule to a point. But it had better be with a better use of comment...or I will personally put you out of the business of posting here. Period.
 
 
 
 
 
As you appear to be not even smart enough to do it from a covert feigned intellectualist fashion.
 
 
 
I do not do that much anymore. But in your case I'll make an exception....because not only is your rudeness and overt nationalism and directed covert anti-nationalism unacceptable; it's trolling as well. Which are all Coc violations.
 
 
Which you have no doubt failed to read.
 
 
Consequently you have a long road to plow before you are accepted with credibility here as far as I'm concerned. So start anew or suffer the consequences.
 
 
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Sep-2012 at 10:29
I'm not sure what it is your speaking of, and I'm uncertain you are as well.  You are denigrating an unknown or unmentionable country?
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  Quote Scanspeak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Sep-2012 at 03:32
Originally posted by Huitzilopochtli

I dunno if they were the best,  personally an interesting match up would be Cataphracts versus Hussar



I wonder how someone, who comes from a place where 37% of the population cannot identify its own country on the world map, could be so provident on European history? The results seems to be a virtual confrontation between types of cavalry that existed until the 11c ( for the Cataphract and later Clibanarii ) and one that emerged in the 16c...Should I mention that in the same non-identifiable country, 93% of the population believes in ghosts and around 70% do not know that the sun is a star...And now they come and share their opinion on European history, using some new words that do not appear in proper English, perhaps an incarnation of corrupted communication in a small town with 200 churches bearing different names and proclaiming a different messiah.

I know this post will be deleted but will loose some more tiem and share my opinion on the Winged Hussars.

During their time they were the best cavalry unt in the World. Confrontations with Swedes, Russians, Cossacs ( Berestechko, other battles were lost due to defected registered cossacks or poor command and great inferiority in numbers ), Tatars, Holy Roman Empire. The fact they started to loose battles in the late 18c was mostly due to poor command - they still used the frontal charge tactics which usually leads to a catastrophy when on infantry squares ( if squares remain calm and fire on time ). Uhlans replaced them only because muskets/rifles became too advanced and were able to penetrate armour even at 80m. Cuirassiers, which were a modern alternative to the Husaria, were used to the WWI and proved cruicial in many battles. Technically, the only difference was the use of a broadsword and sometimes a carbine ( less than 15% used one due to its weight ) while the W.Hussars preferred the lance/sabre/pistols combination. They were used properly and proved effective, so it was not a problem of the Winged Hussars that they lost but due to poor command.
In terms of riding skills and efficiency, I would second the Zaporozhian Cossacs.
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  Quote Sarmata Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Apr-2012 at 23:51
Oh! Krakow has definately changed in the past 10 years or so. its a very touristy place now. some ppl like that, others dont. Im sure you'll enjoy it. If you're a fan of Polish history Krakow is the first place to go! I always try to visit there when i visit family. Make sure to check out Wawel. and apparently theres a new underground museum, i found out about this too late in my last visit and regretably didnt get to see it but i heard good things.
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Apr-2012 at 19:09
Originally posted by Sarmata

Originally posted by Tryskochvost

don't you know some armourer, making copies and selling them?

Last summer when I was in Poland I actually saw a husar armour for sale in a gift shop in Kraków. I believe it was just over 1300zł.

Cool. I'm visiting Krakow in the summer: the first time i've been to the old country
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  Quote Sarmata Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Apr-2012 at 00:18
Originally posted by Tryskochvost

don't you know some armourer, making copies and selling them?

Last summer when I was in Poland I actually saw a husar armour for sale in a gift shop in Kraków. I believe it was just over 1300zł.
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  Quote Sarmata Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Apr-2012 at 00:00
Originally posted by Temujin


Originally posted by ataman

Polish-Lithuanian Commownealth was a mulitreligiuos country and non-Catholics possesed the highest military and civilian offices too.
is this the reason why they converted or are there other reasons? and why did they converted to Calvinism instead of Protestantism for example?


taking a direct quote from Adam Zamoyski from his book, "Poland: a History", he explains the "hype" for Calvinism: "Enhanced by its more sympathetic Francophone associations, it rapidly gained ground all over the country. The democratic spirit of Calvinism which placed the lay elder on a par with the minster could hardly fail to appeal to the instincts of the szlachta, while the absence of pomp and ceremony from its rites made it a pleasingly cheap religion to support."

[...]" Although they gained ascendancy, the Calvinists never managed to control the Protesant movement in Poland[...]The Protestant sect which produced Poland's most significant contribution to Christian philosophy was the Arians. Expelled from Bohemia in 1548, they settled in Poland, where they were known as the 'Czech brethren' and later Arians[...]They gained many converts - up to about 40,000 adherents practising in some two hundred temples scattered thrughout the country. Their spiritual center was Raków, where they established an academy, visited by students all over Europe.[...]The two most prominent Polish Arians were Marcin Czechowicz and Szymon Budny."

Hope that information helps a little!
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  Quote keetper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Nov-2011 at 07:51
Originally posted by ataman

Yes, I know. Unfortunately the best armour makers don't have their sites in internet. You can only call to them. There are other guys, but their armours aren't too high quality. If you want more info, write to me off the forum, ok?


Curious about this topic. I think Hyperion is supposed to be one of the best.
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  Quote Domen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2011 at 13:49
BTW - I made several charts basing on data from books:

1) Changes of composition and numerical strength of the regular state army of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland:

It shows numerical strength of contingents of Winged Hussars, other types of cavalry, dragoons and infantry in individual years:

In 1621 there were as many as 9450 Hussars (they contributed to the Polish victory over the Ottoman Empire that year):



2) Polish military effort against individual countries in several years of the early 17th century (it shows that the bulk of Polish military effort was usually against other enemies - not Sweden):



3) Polish and Austrian forces involved against Sweden in the war for the Mouth of the Vistula River:

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Something for Wiged Hussars fans:

Klushino Battle - 400 years

One of the biggest 17th-century festivals in Europe in 2010. More than 600 participants, including more than 130 horses, more than 80 Polish hussars (the greatest quantity at our times).

3-4 July 2010 Warsaw

Polish forces numbering about 4,000 men (of which about 80 percent) were the famous 'winged' hussars) under HetmanStanisław Żółkiewski defeated a numerically superior force of about 35,000 - 40,000 Russians under Dmitry ShuiskyAndrew Golicyn and Danilo Mezecki, including about 5,000 - 10,000 mercenary units temporarily allied to Russia, under the command of Jacob De la Gardie, mostly Finnish and Swedish, with some regiments composed of French, German and British. Including the forces that did not take part in combat (remained in camp, reserve or was delayed), the numbers were 12,300 Poles against 48,000 Russians. Poles were supported by 2 cannons, and Russians by 11...


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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2009 at 05:37
Originally posted by ataman

 
The biggest collections of hussar armors are in Kraków.
 
And the second biggest is probably in Kórnik (Kornik) near Poznan. In general, not many original full armour sets survived till today.


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  Quote ataman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2009 at 02:53

Yes, I know. Unfortunately the best armour makers don't have their sites in internet. You can only call to them. There are other guys, but their armours aren't too high quality. If you want more info, write to me off the forum, ok?

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  Quote Tryskochvost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2009 at 01:15
don't you know some armourer, making copies and selling them?
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  Quote ataman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Oct-2009 at 08:15

Originally posted by Tryskochvost

Are in Jasna Gora some hussars armours or somethig?

There are modern copies of hussar armors. 

If you are interested in originals. There are original sabres. And there is a wing, which was attached to Sobieski's 'hetman's sign' in the battle of Vienna 1683.

The biggest collections of hussar armors are in Kraków.



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  Quote Tryskochvost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Oct-2009 at 01:03
week ago, I was on trip to czestochowa, off course we went to Jasna Gora, but unfortunately the Zbrojowna was closed. Are in Jasna Gora some hussars armours or somethig?
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  Quote ataman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Aug-2009 at 00:36
How did the hussars fight? The article and pictures.

Edited by ataman - 25-Aug-2009 at 00:38
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  Quote Majkes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Jun-2009 at 07:55
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Originally posted by Majkes

This was also reason of Prothestantism collapse in Poland. Protheastant pastors didn't have enough money to spread religion cause their Patrons were overtaking those while Catholic church was still very rich.

Afaik the reasons were different. After Polish-Swedish-Russian wars in the middle of 17th century the religious tolerance pretty much ended, because the king was suspicious of all protestant nobles cooperating with Sweden. Many were forced in exile,
 
You are right but I was talking about earlier period and it was obvious before Polish Swedish wars in mid 17th century that Catholicism will be victorious in Poland.
Also not only king was suspicious but most of Nobility.
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  Quote ataman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Jun-2009 at 06:40

It is much more complex issue.

The begining of regress of Protestantism in Poland might be joined with counter-Reformation and with Zygmunt III Waza's reign. The wars of 1648-1660 only strengthened this tendency. It was the effect of real collaborationism of non-Catholics with enemies of PLC.

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