Questions for Muslims

Sorry I have not had time for this with my research on Manzikert and other things. I know Norm Geislar is an expert on the Trinity. He also wrote a book titled "When Critics Ask" but it is spendy   so I will wait. He is also the author of "Answering Islam" and from what I understand he knows classical Arabic, Koine Greek and probably ancient Hebrew. The community college here offers a course in classical Arabic.

I know you do not have the freedoms we have towards religion and Bibles are taken away at the airports in Saudi Arabia and destroyed so I doubt if you can get any of the above books. Tell me if this is not true.

http://www.discountchristian.com/geisler.html



Edited by eaglecap - 17-Oct-2007 at 23:28

Not trying to upset or offend you but calling it like it is and I do not have an agenda but no need to name call or make it personal. The swear filter??? I don't swear myself especially thousand of miles away from someone- lol
There were cases of people having their Bibles taken away and thrown in the trash at the Saudi Airport by customs. Give me some time and I will find those stories. I would like to be proven wrong because I would like to believe that Saudi Arabia believes in freedom of religion.
I Know people have Bibles in Turkey and some book sellers have them but if a missionary passes them out they are likely to get into hot water- www.persecution.org Do not forget I was in Turkey and I talked to Christian Turks there, people who converted to the Christian faith. I gave a Bible in Turkish to a friend and had no problems there but I was not intending on converting her or anyone. I read to Qu'ran sometimes.
Persecution.org is a Protestant Christian organization that documents persecution on Christians by a variety of groups, even by communist and Roman Catholics towards Prostestants.

We have different cultural and religious influences so it might be easy to misunderstand each other. I should not waste my time in these threads since it only ends up in fighting but I suggest reading the above book by Geislar and if you have any books suggestions tell me.





Edited by eaglecap - 18-Oct-2007 at 22:09

It is not illegal to hand out Qu'rans, book of Mormons, Bibles or whatever as long as it is not profane literature it is perfectly legal and protected by the US constitution, freedom of religion. Now selling them would require a buisness permit for a small fee but that applies to anything.

Although the case of the gideons being arrested for handing out Bibles in front of a public school was sickening, it thrown out of court. I am afraid this will happen more and more often since there is a growing anti Christian atmosphere in the USA

I am happy to hear that it is wrong to throw Bibles into a trash cans and I believe this is the case in most Muslim countries. The stories I read were out of Saudi Arabia and maybe these were isolated incidences.

I want to take that classical Arabic class at the commuity college. What is the best Qu'ran to read tranlation wise?

Oh Spokane and Walla Walla are not English but Native American- Salish
Walla Walla - land of many waters.

Spokan-e - children of the sun

Edited by eaglecap - 19-Oct-2007 at 01:26

Originally posted by Akolouthos Originally posted by eaglecap Persecution.org is a Protestant Christian organization that documents persecution on Christians by a variety of groups, even by communist and Roman Catholics towards Prostestants. � Just out of curiosity, do they also document incidents where Protestants are guilty of persecuting their fellow Christians? If so, bravo; if not, blech. � -Akolouthos

I have never seen this but I would be happy to see this in current events but so far I have not. I know the Orthodox do not like Protestant missionaries coming into Russia but I have never read about any persecution of Protestants there.

I know the Orthodox do not like Protestant missionaries coming into Russia but I have never read about any persecution of Protestants there.

Protestant Missionaries are not allowed in Russia. IIRC Except for 5(?) religions (Orthodox Christianity, Catholic Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, and maybe one or two others including traditional steppe beliefs) religion is banned or at least highly discouraged.

^LOL

I am sorry Al Jassas - I have been too busy to answer these important questions but give me time and I will get back to you. Answering Islam by Norman Geislar is a well reearched and a very intellectual book to read but can you get books like that in Saudi Arabia? I know that you do not have the religous freedoms we have in the United States. I once asked someone from the United Emirates if it was true that the penalty for converting to Christianity or any other religion was death in some Muslim countries and he told me, "YES!!" He was passing out material at the university about Islam to get converts to Islam, which is a protected right in my country- First Amendment in the U.S. Constitution. Athough some radical liberals want to Bible to become hate speech since it speaks out against the homosexual lifestyle - a topic for another thread people.



Edited by eaglecap - 16-Nov-2007 at 18:32

Originally posted by eaglecap It is not illegal to hand out Qu'rans, book of Mormons, Bibles or whatever as long as it is not profane literature it is perfectly legal and protected by the US constitution, freedom of religion. Now selling them would require a buisness permit for a small fee but that applies to anything. Although the case of the gideons being arrested for handing out Bibles in front of a public school was sickening, it thrown out of court. I am afraid this will happen more and more often since there is a growing anti Christian atmosphere in the USA I am happy to hear that it is wrong to throw Bibles into a trash cans and I believe this is the case in most Muslim countries. The stories I read were out of Saudi Arabia and maybe these were isolated incidences. I want to take that classical Arabic class at the commuity college. What is the best Qu'ran to read tranlation wise? Oh Spokane and Walla Walla are not English but Native American- Salish Walla Walla - land of many waters. Spokan-e - children of the sun

PM, or ask Seko, he knows two recently peer translated copies into English that are supposed to be very good.

Those two copies are much more recent and meant for an English audience.


What translation do you have?

Originally posted by Al Jassas I am Saudi and never left the country. I am of Bedouin ancestry and my tribe in known for support to the ruling Royal family since he late 18th century. We spelt precious blood fighting the Ottomans in all their invasions and scored glorious victories that are immortalized in song and verse to this day. Why do you ask? By the way, the guy that I use his name in a pre-Islamic christian anti-hero or hero depending where you look and he belongs to the same tribe as my mother.   Al-Jassas

Edited by Killabee - 30-Nov-2007 at 00:13