How long have you been living at home?

Thank you Kuu-ko, but my purpose was not to be hard on both my ancestors and myself. I only told the turth, and I cant see any negative opinions in my post, regarding to my ancestry. I didnt mean that they didnt have any alphabet or civilization, I only meant that these were changable from time to time, according to their new homes. Our ancestors used five different alphabets as we know. First, the unidentified alphabet which is defined as similar to Vikings' and norsemen's, used by Xiong Nu (Huns). Then, the G�kt�rk Alphabet which was also similar to that. And then, the Uighur Alphabet which was derived from Sogdian alphabet of western Turkestan. After that, Turks used a modified Arabic script until the adaption of a modified Latin alphabet by Atat�rk.

So I wasnt being hard to my ancestry, but even protecting them. They knew how to adapt themselves and their culture with the newer conditions they face, and that's rule #1 of nomadic civilization.

I also read lots of articles and a couple of books about the Orhun (G�kt�rk) scripts, and the similarities with the Hungarian and old norse scripts. These are all very amazing, and the more amazing thing is that even they were found by covincidences in central asia. So this is a very suspicious topic that there can even be lots of more ancient scripts from Turkic people, since they are all hidden and forgot. Also, the G�kt�rk language is very interesting. It is such a sophisticated alphabet that it cannot be derived and firstly used by G�kt�rks at those times. This alphabet surely has some ancient steppe origins from unknown past...

Turks dont have an exact home, our great great fathers have lived a nomadic life style for thousands of years. This also caused a lack of monuments, lack of a racial identity and a lack of an obvious alphabet, but this was their only choice to survive in the vast steppes...

We speak Persian in Iran for at least 4,000 years.

It is the Persian inscription of Ariaramnes (Peace of Aryans), one of ancestors of Darius the Great:

Ariy�ramna \ x�yathiya \ vazraka \ x��yathiya \ x��yathiy�n�m \ x��yathiya \ P�rs� \ Ci�pai� \ x��yathiyahy� \ pu�a \ Hax�mani�ahy� \ nap� \ th�tiy \ Ariy�ramna \ x��yathiya \ iyam \ dahy�u� \ P�rs� \ tya \ adam \ d�ray� \ miy \ hya \ uvasp� \ umartiy� \ man� \ baga \ vazraka \ Auramazd� \ fr�bara \ vasn� \ Auramazd�ha \ adam \ x��yathiya \ iyam \ dahy�u� \ amiy \ th�tiy \ Ariy�ramna \ x��yathiya \ Auramazd� \ man� \ upast�m \ baratuv

Ariaramnes, the great king, king of kings, king in Persia, son of king Teispes, grandson of Achaemenes. King Ariaramnes says: This country Persia which I hold, which is possessed of good horses, of good men, the great god Ahuramazda bestowed it upon me. By the favor of Ahuramazda, I am king in this country. King Ariaramnes says: May Ahuramazda bear me aid.

Originally posted by Cywr Well you're tight with money, like the Scots, so you never know

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Hmm i really thought we weren't all that Germanic, and that the Celts crossed over to here once, after the Germanic tribes settled in, and mixed with the population (Celtgermanics instead of Celtiberians ), but I really don't know where to look this stuff up..

In Sweden the situation is complicated - but in my case some of my ancestors have lived here f�r 12 000 years either case...

Among the S�mi (I have partly s�mi origin) and many political correct anti-nationalist swedes it's a matter of course that the s�mi have lived in present day Sweden for 12 000 years since the end of the last ice age, and that the germanic swedes' ancestors ("the white man") arrived much, much later as invaders. As you can see - they think that the situation is just like in America where the white man invaded and subjugated the natives.

For the swedes (which I am) it's right the opposite though - the swedes arrived as a germanic speaking tribe 12 000 years ago whereas the s�mi are mongoloid invaders from Asia that arrived a couple of hundred years ago. This theory was predominant during the early 20th century and produced by nationalist, racist schollars

To me both this ideas are ludicrous. The first people that arrived here in Scandinavia in wawes are probably the ancestors of both swedes and s�mi (and norwegians, danes and finns as well) - it was first much later that they separated (as the swedish and norwegian ancestors in the south took up farming whereas the s�mi continued to hunt). Also the swedish ancestors adopted germanic Indoeuropean languages at some time and mixed with people from the south, whereas the s�mi ancestor mixed with people from the east and adopted a finno-ugrian Uralic language. Still they remained caucasians though - the s�mi are not mongoloid as many still believe. And the swedes and norwegians are not oppressive "white men" as some s�mi like to think (who are imaging themselves as "non-white" for some reason)

The first written evidence of both the swedes and the s�mi is Tacitus Germania from 98 AD, which speaks of the suiones and fenni (s�mi), both inhabiting Scandinavia. I think therefore it's totally pointless to try figure out who was here first