Turkey 2006

could this be the Rum of the black sea area?

I think so as well.

Currently, there are some really startling figures circulating, an Albanian told me there are 5 million Albanians in Turkey a Bosnian gave me the same figure for Bosnians, Cherkez organisations give numbers in excess of 10 million sometimes, Tatar-Turk organisations claim there are some 5-10 million descendants, Kurds give figures of 20 million, some claim Alevi as being 25 million etc etc

This is not surprising at all. When talking about descendants. All people in Turkey are mixed, and many people know their mixed ancestry (within 3 generations for most people in Turkey). 

Take someone whose grandparents are Tatar, Bosniak, Circassian and Albanian. He is a descendant of all these immigrant groups. That is one person, but all the groups can add him as a descendant, so when talking about 2 generations back, you can have the descendants of ethnic groups add up to max 4 times the current population of the country. In 3 generations it would be 8 times etc.

However, having a Circassian grandparent does not mean that someone is of Circassian ethnicity. This research defines ethnicity differently, using personal declarations and native language.


Edited by Beylerbeyi - 22-Jul-2007 at 09:10

The figure I'm most suprised about in the findings is the demographic figures given for Kurds, I thought it would be higher. For example a typical  reportage on Kurds in various media groups in Europe often claim that there are 20 million Kurds in Turkey.

Infact it had a few figures in the pdf article.

T�rkiye�de ka� kişi kendisini �K�rt� olarak tanımlamaktadır? Avrupa Komisyonu�nun T�rkiye 2004 İlerleme Raporu�nda �sayılarının 15-20 milyon olduğu� s�ylenen; DTP�nin Eşbaşkanı Ahmet T�rk��n �25 milyon K�rt� s�zlerindeki sayılar ne kadar doğrudur?

 

The European Comission inits 2004 report claimed that there were 15-20 million Kurds in Turkey, while a Kurdish party leader claims there to be 25 million.

 

The findings show these figures to be heavily inflated, a more realistic figure seems to be 10-11 million.

 

Also the people per household figures were interesting. Around 80% of Turkey has more than two people per house and 7% of Western black sea and 15% of North East Central-Eastern and South East have more than 9 people per household.

It would have been good if they included more information regarding this, is it due to extended families living in the same house, class-income differences, birth rates etc

 

The study dispells alot of gossip and myths. I was told by some Turks from Turkey that Turks are having no kids while all Kurds have 4 wives and have 30-40 kids. Then some Kurds told me there were 30 million Kurds in Turkey etc etc

 

 

Mortaza  Pragmatists and liberals with a religious background.  I should also say, I dont care how much AKP attack nationalist. I said before We should destory nationalism in Turkey or our country would be divided.

 

A pragmatist will be Nationalist when needed, AKP will become more nationalist than anyone else when it suits them so I don't see anyone doing anything else than giving lip-service to nationalism. 

 

As for Erbakan, he made Erdogan, some of Erdogan foundation followers will be unhappy with him following Erbakans critisms.

Edited by Bulldog - 22-Jul-2007 at 13:05

I always think Oran and Uras divided AKP votes.

Edited by Mortaza - 22-Jul-2007 at 13:09

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim I wouldn't be surprised if many of the 0.5% no-religionists are in fact christians who don't want to be identified as such on a big survey. Its fairly typical for minorities to do such a thing. Christianity may be more like 0.15 - 0.2%.

Edited by Cryptic - 24-Jul-2007 at 14:38

There is a subtle difference though.  Claiming "muslim" means the person has actively renounced their Christian religion.  Claiming "no religion" can be justified by the logic  "I Christian, but not religous, therefore the category 'no religion' describes me".  No religion can vbe the same as "No comment".