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    Posted: 14-Feb-2005 at 04:30

The article discovered that

Slovjene was formed from slov + veneti slovveneti sloveneci Slovenci 

as far as I know my language the word "slovjene" in any slavic language should be divided slo-vje-ne that evidently points out the root slovje - eng. speech, word. My proposition for such a "researchers" is to include a small tribe from Afganistan called Wanetsi ( Balochi language group) then Venethos

are present all over the World. By the way, does anybody know something about the Wanetsi (Wanechi,Vanechi, Waneci)?

 

 



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  Quote Serge L Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Feb-2005 at 15:34

Originally posted by Sharrukin

Some of the most recent research on the language of the Veneti that I've seen points to it now being classified as an Italic language, and not just any Italic language but one closest in form to Latin than to any other ancient Italic language except Faliscan.

 

Interestring. All the sources I read were uncertain between Italic, Illirian or other. However, their alpahbet is certainly derived from Etruscan, and their terminations are quite similar to those of ancient Latin, even though with some difference and peculiarity.

 

Here is an interesting article, with he Venetic alphabet:

http://www.ancientscripts.com/venetic.html

Originally posted by Aristoteles

Interesting. I've found a site in Italian (a language who currently is not in my range) and it has transcriptions of some of the Veneti inscriptions. 

I  could probably help you (Italian is my native language), if you linked the site 

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I would highly doubt these Veneti were Slovenian by any means. Because if they were Slavic, that'd mean the Slavs would have migrated to Europe long before the  Roman Empire collapsed.

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  Quote Harry Potter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jul-2005 at 20:41

Originally posted by Aristoteles

You are Polish? Then you might be in position to give us some insight as to why Bor and other Slovenian are trying desperately to prove that their tongue is not south-Slavic but west-Slavic? Are there any fine implications I cannot fathom?

Maybe thats cuz noone from the whole Balkan can understand the slovenian language. For example in former Yugoslavia the slovenians and the macedonians must learn serbo-croatian cuz noone could understand then. They were forced to learn a foreign language to adopt in the society. But, the only one who can understand the macedonian language in the Balkan r the bulgarians, and noone can understand slovenian. Officialy the slovenian language is south-slavic, but logicaly is west-slavic.

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  Quote Komnenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Jul-2005 at 06:15
Originally posted by Harry Potter

Maybe thats cuz noone from the whole Balkan can understand the slovenian language. For example in former Yugoslavia the slovenians and the macedonians must learn serbo-croatian cuz noone could understand then. They were forced to learn a foreign language to adopt in the society. But, the only one who can understand the macedonian language in the Balkan r the bulgarians, and noone can understand slovenian. Officialy the slovenian language is south-slavic, but logicaly is west-slavic.



The Slovenian language is , always has been and always will be, a dialect of the Western Southern-Slavic branch of the slavic languages, like Bosnian, Croat or Serbian ( B/C/S).
Slovenian has furthest moved away from their common roots, probably as early as the 9th century, due to a number of cultural factors, most notable their early inclusion into the Germanic sphere of influence, or their relative geographical isolation.
However, all B/C/S speakers I know, can easily understand or read Slovenian, but not necessarily speak it.

Slovenian was one of the official languages of Socialist Yugoslavia, as accepted as any other in the multi-lingual country. As the majority of the people of former Yugoslavia spoke one of the variations of B/C/S, B/C/S became the lingua franca of the SFRY, and was as such taught as a second language, and not difficult to learn, because of the relative proximity of all the dialects.
Slovenian or any other minority dialect was never oppressed in the SFRY, on the contrary, their speaking was encouraged and promoted. I might remind you again that the former Yugoslavia was the only country in the world that recognised Roma and Sinti (Gypsy) dialects as an official language and established Roma and Sinti teaching in schools, newspapers and radio stations. Which is a far cry from the persecution that the Gypsies experienced in most Eastern European countries after the collapse of the Warsaw pact.
Language was never an issue of debate in the former Yugoslavia, it was only made to one retrospectively, as the various nationalist powers desperately tried to invent their nationhood.
Macedonian is classified as part of the Eastern branch of the Southern-Slavic dialects and far closer related to Bulgarian than to B/C/S, which might explain why Macedonians found Slovenian more difficult to comprehend.

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  Quote Harry Potter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jul-2005 at 20:49

Originally posted by Komnenos

The Slovenian language is , always has been and always will be, a dialect of the Western Southern-Slavic branch of the slavic languages, like Bosnian, Croat or Serbian ( B/C/S).
Slovenian has furthest moved away from their common roots, probably as early as the 9th century, due to a number of cultural factors, most notable their early inclusion into the Germanic sphere of influence, or their relative geographical isolation.
However, all B/C/S speakers I know, can easily understand or read Slovenian, but not necessarily speak it.

Slovenian was one of the official languages of Socialist Yugoslavia, as accepted as any other in the multi-lingual country. As the majority of the people of former Yugoslavia spoke one of the variations of B/C/S, B/C/S became the lingua franca of the SFRY, and was as such taught as a second language, and not difficult to learn, because of the relative proximity of all the dialects.
Slovenian or any other minority dialect was never oppressed in the SFRY, on the contrary, their speaking was encouraged and promoted. I might remind you again that the former Yugoslavia was the only country in the world that recognised Roma and Sinti (Gypsy) dialects as an official language and established Roma and Sinti teaching in schools, newspapers and radio stations. Which is a far cry from the persecution that the Gypsies experienced in most Eastern European countries after the collapse of the Warsaw pact.
Language was never an issue of debate in the former Yugoslavia, it was only made to one retrospectively, as the various nationalist powers desperately tried to invent their nationhood.

mate, I used to live in that SFRY so dont teach me lessons about the languages in that former rep. Slovenian was never official language of Yugoslavia, neither serbian or croatian, it was the Serbo-Croatian language.

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  Quote Komnenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2005 at 02:19
Originally posted by Harry Potter

mate, I used to live in that SFRY so dont teach me lessons about the languages in that former rep. Slovenian was never official language of Yugoslavia, neither serbian or croatian, it was the Serbo-Croatian language.



Unfortunately, there seems to be a huge gap in the perception of the reality of the former Yugoslavia, between those nationalists that broke it up in order to establish their own little fiefdoms and their followers, and those that could observe the SFRY unbiased.
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  Quote Harry Potter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jul-2005 at 19:56

Originally posted by Komnenos

Unfortunately, there seems to be a huge gap in the perception of the reality of the former Yugoslavia, between those nationalists that broke it up in order to establish their own little fiefdoms and their followers, and those that could observe the SFRY unbiased.

yeah right!

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  Quote arfunda Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Oct-2005 at 15:48

Dear friends, I had sent my text to another topic of the forum. When I realised your topic about Veneti, I decided to share it with you:

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6099& ;TPN=1

 I want to talk you about my hometown Bartn. Bartn is in the northwestern Black Sea Region of Anotolia. Its ancient name was Parthenius. Parthenius was a river in Paphlogonia. Parthenius is well known in Greek mithology but the ethimology of the word is toll to be in Luwian language.

Enets were living around the Parthenius river. During the Troyan War Enets went to Troya to help Troyans. This is told in Iliada Of Homeros. (Iliada was written in 9th century BC I think). Homeros tells the Paphlogonians. King of Paphlogonia, Pylaimines, and his son. Harpalion, are told to be from the land of Enets which was around the Parthenius River and in Sesamos (today Amasra, a town of Bartn).Menelaos kills Harpalion.

After the war Enets go to Italy by ship. They settle in Italy and they call their new place as Eneto. Then Eneto is pronounced as Veneto.

The historians of Veneto finds their origis in Paphlogonia, in Parthenius so the plan a cycle tour from Italy to Bartn and they come to Bartn in 2001. They call their project as "Return to the roots, Paphlogonia". Prof. Ugo Silvello is the historian who has studied on Enets.

So we can say that Venetians are the Enets who came from Parthenius of ancient Anotolia.

Maybe some of you will oppose me. But it was proven by Prof. Ugo Silvello. You can ask him more about his proofs.

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  Quote maks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Aug-2012 at 17:49
Their history is cloaked in obscurity as long as sources are absent. Judging from geographical extent on that name, we may assume that Veneti were to be found in almost every corner of Europe. Some Slavic historians put forward the claim that Veneti were proto-Slavs. This is not convincing at all. I cling to the possibility that Veneti were a branch of the Illyrians. Herodotus ascribe them as Illyrian. His view seem to reconcile with the fact that a large amount of their names are Illyrian, although Veneti linguistic zone is deemed as distinct. The continuous mingling with Celts may have affected them to a degree they were no longer Illyrians.  
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Aug-2012 at 20:43
I seem to remember reading these Veneti were skilled sailors. The Romans had a lot of trouble with them until they came up with the idea of immoblising the ships of the Veneti
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