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He robbed the rich and gave to the poor.
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Thanks. I have thoroughly considered many RH candidates of the 1100s to 1300s period (and some before and after then too) including Robert Dore of Wadsley. Some candidates do have some interetsing possible connections/correspondences but since our findings of last 1-2 years Roger Godberd seems to have the best/strongest match. Dore/Wadsley i gave quite alot of objective consideration to and he does indeed have some interesting possible matches, and he may well indeed have been merged in to the Robin Hood of the Geste, but he doesn't seem to be the main original Robin Hood. Compare the table below for Robert Dore with our revised table/list for Godberd. Some of the Dore/Wadsley correspondences are very weak. Robert Hood of Wakefield (of Lockwood-Allen and Hunter) also has some very interesting correspondences which may also suggest he too is merged in the RH of the Geste/ballads, but again he doesn't seem to match as well as Godberd, and he doesn't seem to be the original RH.

Table for Robert Dore of Wadsley "Robin Hood" theory:

Bishop of Hereford ~ Langland knew Bp of Hereford.

Earl of Huntingdon ~ Dore's mother married Thomas de Sheffield who prev married Agnes FitzAlan desc of David Earl of Huntingdon. connection with Hastings 1225/1509/1597. "Lord" Robert Dore.

Friar Tuck ~ Robert Stafford "Frere Tuk" 1417-29. "there were no friars in England before the 14 cent". "most friars expelled 1414".

Gilbert of the WhiteHand ~ cloth dyer/bleacher?

King Edward ~ Rob Dore partly during Edward 3 reign (1327-1377), though he was mainly in Richard 2's reign not Edward's. Piers Plowman written c 1377.

King Richard ~ Richard 2.

Little John ~ Litster?

Mary / Mary Magdalene / Maid Marian ~ Mary patron Saint of Tailors Guild. Guild of St Mary 1371. "Rob Hood attended St Mary's church adjacent to Nottingham Market (1371)".

Much the Miller('s son) ~ Adam Hood/Hode son of Johannes/Johannus Hode/Hood the miller & baker of York ("who might have adopted Robertus Hode/Hood") 1366. Theorised that "Much" was nickname.

Ranulf earl of Chester ~ William Lichfield abbot of abbey of Dieulacres (founded by Ranulf earl of Chester 1214) near Leek Staffs 1379? Cheshire uprising 1393? Cheshire archers 1397? Richard 2 visits Chester 1394?

Robin Hood ~ Robert Dore of Wadsley called "Robin/Robert Hood" in pardon (was in peasant's revolt). a Hobbe the Robber in Piers Plowman and in John Ball Letters 1381.

Sheriff of Notts ~ Sherif of Notts & Derby patroled forest of Peak which included Derwent Valleynear Loxley. Sheriff of Nott possessed property near Loxley. Sheriff of Nott at Conisborough castle during Peasant's Revolt 1380. Mercia, to which Nott belonged, came to within 3 miles of Sheffield.

Sir/Red Roger of Doncaster ~ Neville (red headed/haired).

Sir Guy of Gisbourne ~ mayor John Gisbourne.

Sir Richard at Lee ~ Sir Richard Vernon of Haddon on the river Wye (Wyedale) at the Lee (North Lees at nearby Hathersage).

Will Scarlet ~ Wool Scarlet dyer.

William Trent ~ William de Trent of Gunthorp (30 Edward 3).

Loxley ~ Wadsley / Sheffield / Loxley chase "fairest pretensions to being Loxley of RH".

Nottingham (castle/walls) ~ Nott city gates & wall not completed until 1337. "RH attended St Mary's church adjacent to Nott Market 1371". Sheriff at Conisborough castle.

Plum(p)ton Park ~ William Plumpton b 1362.

Lincoln Green & Scarlet (Geste) ~ cloth merchants/dyers guild.

longbow (pierce armour) ~ longbow 1330/1333-1515. archers 1397 Cheshire. "The longbow designed to pierce armour was introduced by Edward III in the 100 year war". (Disputed/criticised by John Minnely.)

2-handed longsword ~ 1350-1550.

English ~ English 1362.

Merry England ~ 1350-1520.

outlaw ~ peasants revolt 1381. killed (step)father in argument with scyth?

Pardon ~ Dore's pardon from king of 1381/2.

Piers Plowman 1377 ~ Robert Dore dates c1335-1364-1382-c1403.

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This is Robin Hood (c1266 in Fordun/Bower; 1272-1307 in Polychronicon; 1283 in Wyntoun) :

Roger (de) God(e)berd(') (fl. 1250 - 1265 - 1267 - 1272 - 1276 - 1293)

Godberd could call on a 100 men.
"accused as a public criminal of many burglaries, homicides, arsons, and robberies committed by him", "wickedly robbed the Abbey of Stanley",
"denies all burglaries, homicides, arsons, robberies and all larceny etc.",
"says that he has always thereafter conducted himself well and faithfully towards the said king and his heirs and everybody else, and that he is not guilty of any of the foregoing".

Robin Hood rhymed with "good" in alleged RH's grave inscription. Robin Goodfellow.

Many persons and places etc of RH have quality matches with ones in the Godberd records.

Reginald de Grey is certainly the Sheriff of Nottingham, and "Ranulf earl of Chester", and "Roger of Doncaster"?

Sir Richard Foliot is certainly the Sir Richard at Lee.



Edited by Arthur-Robin - 21-Feb-2018 at 02:06
NZ's mandatory fluoridation is not fair because it only forces it on the disadvantaged/some and not on the advantaged/everyone.
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  Quote RobRich Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Feb-2018 at 00:27
I don't see your problem, other than the fact you place too much store on irrelevancies.
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  Quote Arthur-Robin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Feb-2018 at 16:13

Well i can't debate vague/unspecific mere words claims/accusations only actual details evidences. What things do you consider as "irrelevancies"? (Certainly i don't claim every single thing of mine is right, but there are plenty of things that are pretty certainly right. I always try to be interested and objectively consider all theories.) Otherwise you and i are free to believe what you do (from what evidences we have) without unfairly/untruly slandering or putting down. "knowledge puffs up, love edifies", "truth sets free".



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Our new ebook on Robin Hood and Roger Godberd is here http://www.allempires.com/forum/ebook_view.asp?BookID=108 , and it is hopefully abit better written/explained and readable/understandible than our previous posts in this thread. So far we have only done 11 chapters and there are still half a dozen or so more yet to do including ones on the Bishop of Hereford, Alan a Dale, etc. The small ebook is maybe written abit too technically and/or not written very well for general public though, so we might later find someone to rewrite a better version of it for everyone (with pictures etc too).

NZ's mandatory fluoridation is not fair because it only forces it on the disadvantaged/some and not on the advantaged/everyone.
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