An English Historian, named Ralph V. Turner, has done some studies on "Robin Hood." Prof. Turner has done extensive work on King John, so if anybody has the answer to that question it would be in one of his books. You could also check in W.L. Warren's book King John there might be an answer there as well. Also take a look at J.C. Holt who wrote a book entitled Robin Hood.
My own reading of the Robin Hood legend is that it is a myth developed in the 13th century to foster and explain the cementing of the Saxon and Norman peoples into the English, notably through Robin's (Locksley's) swearing of allegiance to Richard.
Ironic because Richard wasn't particularly an English king in fact, but legend made his reign the turning point (which actually came later, arguably under Henry III/Edward I.)
Most people agree that Robin Hood never even existed. But at the same time, some believe that he is merely based on a famous peasant revolutionary from Wakefield. Which would in turn mean that the story itself originated in Yorkshire, not Nottinghamshire, setting the original story in the 1320s.
But all the royal stuff probably came later as properganda by the government to make a radical legend conservative.
A villian who robs from the rich and gives to the poor is a menace to the state. One who swears allegiance to a rightful king isn't. None of the ealry legends mention he is anything but a villain and disgree on the period.
Someone has blocked or is blocking me from being able to post on the blue boar Robin Hood forum anymore. So i have to post this that i worked on on last 1-2 wholedays here instead. There were a few RH threads/topics in search forum so just had to pick one.
(Keep getting forbidden, no permission to post reply there today. More persecution from Rome. Or have i been banned there because i said a few negative bits? Always the way, dirty rotten secret blockings etc against me that no one else knows about. (Sorry if it possibly wrong paranoia, but is strange thing & timing that never happened before.) I tried to use my years old other yuku account (i hope i don't get banned for multiple accounts, i had troubles when first joint years ago) but seems to have been deleted or else not remember/noted right password or username. I tried to create a new account there but still blocked from posting permission.)
Threads/topics on blue boar i was trying to reply to: theblueboarinnrobinhooddiscussions.yuku.com/topic/1114/interesting-questions-andor-tidbits theblueboarinnrobinhooddiscussions.yuku.com/topic/1115/Rob-Hod-Pipe-Roll-entry-E37270-12261227 (and theblueboarinnrobinhooddiscussions.yuku.com/topic/1106/Robin-Hood-lists-etc?page=3 )
A new timeline attempt. (Was going to post the timeline in "RH lists" thread/topic and the comments in the tidbits thread, but have to do in one post now.)
876 Ivar the Boneless 1042-1189 utlaga/utlagi 1066 hastings/senlac 1070s Hereward the Wake 1065/72/1075 Waltheof (son Robert (Ranulf earl of Chester)) 1080 Brunn/Bourne (Lincs); 1086 Doomsday book; 1095-1272 Crusades "clues date to (lat) 11th cent" (RH legend) 11th & 12th cents Marian cult reached apogee in W Europe b1110-d1165 Sir Robert Foliot 1111 Owain robberies 1111 Dunmow bacon 1120-9 Ranulf le Meschin 3rd Earl of Chester 1123 first park (woodstock) 1127 wild hunt in sky observed by people 1129-53 Ranulf de Gernon 4th Earl of Chester 1138 Peter of York, John of Beverley, Wilfrid of Ripon 1138 Scots raid N England, Abp appeal 'men of Sherwood' 1140 new bridge over trent 1140 Nott burned 1140-1194 outlaws 1141 battle Lincoln, appeal to 'men of Sherwood' 1153 Nott burned 1154-1189 Miller of Mansfield (300 pounds) (Henry 2) 1156 Nott town wall rebuilt 1160 "RH born" (Ritson 1795) 1160-1218 St Robert (Flower) of Knaresborough 1160/c1200-1220 Richard de Legh (Lord of West Hall, Legh, Cheshire)
1166 Robert son of Odo of Lochesleia Warwicks 1166-1553 Molyneux family of Loxley Warwicks 1175 Edwinstowe 1179 William Trussel/Russell 1179 Richard de la Lee & his bro Hugh set free an unnamed prisoner 1181 "a boy named Robert sacrified by the Jews" 1181-1232 Ranulf de Blondeville 6th Earl of Chester "1185 RH's supposed escape from prison" "1188 RH & LJ Whitby Abbey/Laths" 1189-1199 K Richard 1 chased "hart" from Sherwood to Barnsdale by 1190 drop in merchant & trading traffic, rise in religious 1190s Robertus filius Odonis (liber niger sicarrii) * 1191 priest or monk of pipe-roll [supposed to be similar to RH & Monk] 1191/4/7 Robert de Hood/Huda (Northants, 7 entries piperolls) 1191-1221/1254 Robert de Huntingdon le Scot 1194 storming/siege of Nott Cas by K Rich 1196 "Fitzodo of Loxley is no longer a knight" c1196 Robert fil Alan de Ridale; betw 1160-1196? 'master R' (of church of welburn, ridale letters); 1196/1202/3 (sir) robert (fitzodo/fitzooth) (of Harbury/Loxley/Uttoxeter) 1198 Robert de Hood (Cumberland/Cumbria) 1198 Herkelea, Rogsi 1198 / 9th Rich 1 "RH died" (RH grave, Major HMB 1521) 1199 "RH & LJ" (Rapin's) 1199 Rob de Hodelme * 1199 Will Scarlet (Somerset) "12th cent" LJ's Shot (Dublin) 1200s Robin more pop than Robert 1200 : 15 kts sent after Fulk Fitzwarin (Shrops/Welsh) 1200-1215 Giles Bp of Heref 1202 Ragnild wife of John Hood 1202-3 Baldwin (de) Hod(e)net; 1205-9 extension of Nott castle 1206 Robert Hod (Lincoln assize roll) * 1210 robber (rule of St Francis); 1210/1225/1226/1227/1265 Robert de Kyme (of lindsey/at wenlock) outlaw (grievious offenses); * c1212-6 robert son of robert fitzwalter [c1213] Major Oak 800 yrs old 1213 Robert Hood (servant of Abbot of Cirencester, Gloucs) 1216 "R." chaplain of Robert Fitzwalter 1218 Livery giver 1221&2 Linton near Wetherby in St Peters lands/juristicion 1223-30 Robert Hod witness deed at Follifoot next to Plumpton park fro Will de P & Rob de P; 1224 franciscans & dominicans in England (Henry 3) 1225/6-34 Robert(i) Hod outlaw/[felon?] (cross, St Peter 1234); * 1225 Robert Hod (Bucks); 1225 Hod fled; 1226-7 Robert Hod fugitive, Iuonis/Ivo Marton, William Warin Ottringham Holderness * 1226-30 Robert (of) Wetherby 1227 forest laws undated 13th C 'lib niger' 'Robert Fitzodo/Fitzothoh'. ear 13th cent : 2 inscribed bells of Skelbrooke church
1227-28 Hobbehod (St Peter's York 1227) (Owen). * 1229-30 Robert(i) Hood fugitive/[felon?] & Iuonis * c1230 pre-cricket c1230/34 Robert Hod (Worcs) 1230/1240 RH (Berks) 1231 sir robert thwing of danby; 1233-4 Robert Hod S Petr cross in Grimston * 1234 Robert Odde (Somerset) 1237 Robert Hod (Devon) 1241-63 Robert Hod de Linton (Wetherby) * 1242 Robert son of Eudo 1242/5/7/8 Robert/Robertus (de/of) lokeslay/lokesley/Lockesly/locksley 1242-3 RH de Linton 1242/1250s Henry 3's Assize of arms 1244 Dunmow bacon 1247/1274 "RH died" (RH grave, Ritson 1795) 1248 Gilbert Blanchard 1250 Grey friary Nott 1251-3 Sherwood/Shirewood 1254 william de Cauntelo buried Studley "1254 Robert de Huntington pardoned" 1258 unknown William Tuk 1260s Robert Hod (Yorks) * 1260s/1265/c1272/1276 Roger Godberd outlawed?
1261/2 William de Fevre / (William) Robehod/Rabunhod (Berks)
1262 St Richard of Chichester 1263 RH Hereford, 1264 Robert de Ferrers outlawed 1265 Baron's revolt 1265-72-1307 Edw 1st 1266 Will de Grey Sh of Nott in conflict with outlaws in Sherwood * 1266 "Robert Hood & LJ, disinherited [Lincs], sicarius, mass, piety, c1266" "k H3 & prince Ed 1" (Fordun/Bower 1440). 1267-70 Roger de Doncaster (Nott) 1271 hats first mentioned (Henry 3) 1272-1307 "RH, Sherwood" (Edw 1) (Polychronicon/Luxford) 1272 Nott, Leic, Derb, ways, woods nos of robbers... (Patent rolls)
1272 William Robehod (Berks) 1272 John Rabunhod (Hants); 1272 Alexander Robehod (Essex) 1274 Richard Hood [son of Rob Hood] of Sowerby 1275 Scarlet family (Blidworth)? 1275 / late 13th cent Gododdin 1276 Carmelite friary Nott 1279/80 "Scarlet Cross" [Scarlet Close?] 1279-81 brun Robin de North Coldone 1279-88 Sherwood/Shirewood c1280 Jeu de Robin et Marion 1280 Eoth K's felon Connaught 1283 "LJ & RH Inglewood & Barnsdale" (Wyntoun's 1420). late 1200s Sowerby forester John de Midgley 13th cent unnamed outlaw, Muskham chronicle
1283 Robertus Robehod of Walsham le Willows (Suffolk)  Roberdsmen/Robertsmen 13 Ed 1 1285 Statute Winchester Edward I everyman arms; 1286/1296 Gilbert Robehod/Robynhod (Sussex) 1287 William Scathlock (St Mary's); 1290 Sir Richard Foliot 1290 Edward tourn later 13th cent : Edward 1 recruited men of Sherwood 1292 Broun Robyn de Holm of Holderness 1292 Hostel Robin Hod/RH Inn London 1292 little john & petit johan
1294 Robert Robehod (Hants); 1294 Robert 3 Butler (b 1275) 1294 Robert le Mouner [Miller] of Paynel Hoton 1294 (Skelbrooke) 1294/1297/1318 London councilor Robert Hod/Hoode 1295/1323/1337/1353 kt Richard de Touneley/Townley 1296-7 John Hood [of Sowerby] 1298-1304 exchequer/chancery at York 13th/14th cent setting of ear ballads 13th cent Haxey hood? 1300s (Gawaine &) Green Man "14th cent Rich of Westminster/Cirencester's" 'ed Situ Britanniae' 14th cent peasants still oppresed & downtrodden "there were no friars in Engl before the 14 cent"? livery not til 14th cent? 1300-78 Robert "Litelrobyn" 1301/9 Roger de Doncaster; 1302 Roger of Doncaster "1304" William Wallace "Scottish Robin Whood" (18th cent) 1305 robert/broun Robyn le Batour 1306 Barnsdale rife with robbers * ear 14th cent Guard raised passing thru Barnsdale * 1307-27 Edw 2nd (sodomy, Berkeley castle) 1308/1314/16/23/47 robert hood of wakefield/bichill/locewode (& John Littsells, William Stoodley, Michael son of Miller); 1309/1331/32 robert (hood) the grave of wakefield/at alverthorpe; 1310 Rob(ert) de Brunn 1311 Roger Robelard/[robarde?] "by 1316" "william de studley dead" (Wakefield court rolls) 1317 William de Trent (Stanton) 1318 Will(iam) Scarlet 1318 [liteljohn?]/John le Litel (band radiers)
1319 RH's Cross (Derby) 1319 defenders from York 1319-21 Richard de (la) Lee 1320-7 John de Montkyl & John Parker robbed TK of S (Edw 2) 1322 Little John of C0ckcroft 1323 Robert_le_brun 1323 investigations Royal Forests (Plumpton park) 1323 king Ed 2 in Lancs 1323 Edward 2 visit Nott 1323 Littel John (made off with deer, Yorks)
1323/4 Robyn Hode/Hodjadis porter K Edw 2 (Hunter) * 1324/6/7-1340/6 RH's Bay (correspondence); * betw 1324-46 witteby 1324/6 Dean of Doncaster 1325 Katherine Robynhod (London) 1327-77 Ed 3rd (parliament 15 x York, ref to as oure cumly king c1339, Bernesdale in records of, aid from Saylis); brother Robert of York (of Knaresborough, K Edw 3) 1327 roger son of william of doncaster 1327-8 Robert de Wodehouse (Pontefract?) 1328 tournament york 1329 goods carried away Skelbrooke 1330 Edward 3 crept into Nott 1330/1333-1515 longbow
1331 Roberdsmen/Robertsmen 5 Ed 3 (Statute Winchester) 1331 robert hood of newton (near wakefield) (Hunter) 1331-3 Robert de Wodehall 1332 Robert Robynhoud (Sussex) 1332 William de Skargill/Scargill 1332-3 Plumptoun Laund / Plumpton Hay, 1332-5 Plumpton walled in 1333 dangerous spot Galtres Yorks 1333 Roger de Doncaster [1333 robert hode/hood of/at stanley?] 1335 parliament York 1340s York mystery plays 1341 Fordun (doesn't mention "RH & LJ 1266") [1341/2] Rob./Robert de Edenstow/Edwinstowe 14/15 Ed 3 bef 1344 Richard de Leyes (Staffs) 1344 Satelites of Satan Fountains Abbey 1346-7 Saylis/Sayles contributed aid to K Edw 3 1346-9 Sherwood/Shirewood 1347/1374 "RH died". 1349 Richard Rolle at Hampole
1350-1520 merry/merrie england 1350-1550 2-handed longsword last half of 14th & beg of 15th cent grievances of poor 1353 shire-reevs tourn in brighouse 1354 Robert Hood (Rockingham/Northants) 1354-67 John Litel c1355 tournaments Edward 3  William (de) Trent of Gunthorp 30 Ed 3 1359 haxey hood; 1361-4 Sir Richard Vernon (Gascony 1361, pilgrim 1364) * 1363 royal writ K Edward 3, sheriffs proclaim everyman learn archery 1363 Robert de Edwinstowe 1366 roger de Bangwell rector of Dronfield in Doncaster 1367 Robert de Huntingdon (Yorks) 1369 Chaucer's Canterbury tales 1371"RH attended St Mary's ch adj to Nott Market" (G Kirkby) 1371 Mary patron St of Tailors Guild / Guild of St Mary 1372 Rober Hotot 1376 York mystery plays Foliot lords of Wellow to late 14th cent 14th cent Gawaine & Green Knight 1376 Gower (Robin/Marian)
c1377 William/Robert (of) Langland 'Piers Plowman' (RH & Ranulf EofC) 1377 English c1377-84 Fordun 'Scotichronicon' ("Robert Hood & LJ, sicarius, mass, piety, c1266") 1379 Agnes of Handworth & Robert Hode 1380 rob Peter to pay Paul (Wyclif) 1380 mayor John Gisbourne 1380 poll tax; 1380/1 peasants revolt (John Ball, Jack Straw); 1381 Hobb the Robber 1381 Robert Robynhoud (Sussex) 1381 Robert Hood of Hereford (merchant) 1382 pardon of Robert Dore "Robin Hood" 1382/1409 William Tempest of Studley 1388 4th black death/pest c1390 The Merchant's Surety ** 1393 uprising Cheshire/Chester 1394 Richard 2nd visits Chester 1394 Sir Guy of Warwick "no Robert of Huntingdon bef 1397" 1397 archers Cheshire/Chester 1400 Brunn/Bourne (Lincs) 1410 "RH was here" Lincoln cathedral 1410/1420 'Linc Cath Lib Ms' ("RH in Sherwood", 1st RH song/rhyme) 1412/1414 roberthoad (a woman) 1414 most friars expelled 1417-29 Robert Stafford "Frere Tuk" (chaplain from Lindfield Sussex) c1420 Wyntoun's Orygynale Chronicle ("LJ & RH Inglewood & Barnsdale 1283"). 1422 RH's Stone, Slephil (Monkbretton Priory cartulary) 1429 legal maxim (RH in Barnsdale), 1429 Piers Venables likened to RH 1432 "RH in Grene Wode in an acrostic in a Parliamentary return" 1432 Reynoldyn (in comic list of outlaws in the Wilts parliamentary rolls) 1438 Robene Hude (ship, Aberdeen) 1439 misdoers in Derbyshire "like Robyn Hode" 1440 Bower revised Scotichronicon interpolation ("Robert Hood & LJ, Barnsdale, disinherited, sicarius, mass, piety, c1266") 1441 Robynhodesmen (Norfolk) 1444 William Tempest of Studley 1444 Richard Robinson a servant in household of Earl of Shewsbury later half of 15th cent enclosures, Livery after 1450 / 1465 / 15th cent RH & the Monk (earliest ballad, LJ knows paths Sherwood well, Nott); c1455 Vernon (Yorkist). 1456-60 John Robhode/Robewode of Walsham 1460 an unknown monk / Witham priory chronicle / 'Polychronicon' margin, 'Luxford note' (RH, Sherwood, Edw 1) (2009). 1460 robbers; 1461 robbers; 1461-93 comely K Edward 4th reigned 22yrs (merchant king, Tanner of Tamworth); 1468 RH & the Potter (Wentbridge, Nott, unnamed forest)? 1469 Robin of Holderness / robin of redesdale c 1470s/1475 RH & the Sheriff (earliest Friar Tuck ref) 1485 RH's Close Notts 1488/1489 Robin Goodfellow(’s brother) (Yorks); 1488 Hodekin; 1492 Star Chamber complaint (RH & his men) 1498 Roger Marshall of Wednesbury "RH" (Staffs) after 1400s RH's Tower Richmond Castle c1500 Gest (Saylis, went at a bridge, Barnsdale, St Mary's York, (forest close to) Nott, Kirklees) c1500 Barclay's Ship of Fools (RH or MM) 1500s RH & LJ Inn Hatfield c1503 RH & the Potter? 1509-47 alleged Robin Hood from the reign of Henry the 8th 1518 May games (Somerset) (Robin Wood) 1521 Major HMB c1540 Leyland's Collectanea Itinerary 1540 rob Peter to pay Paul 1544-51 katherine & john robhood 1548 wake-robyn/robin_Wake c1568 Kirk-o-Fields 1569 Grafton (way) 1584 Reginald Scot (Robin Goodfellow, Hodekin); 1592 Stow's AoE (rib rich give poor) 1598 RH('s) Buttes Cumberland/Cumbria late 16th cent Shakespeare 1598/1601 Munday (Robert E of Hunt) 1600s Dodsworth 1607 Camden 1609 Guy Fawkes & assocs branded "RHs" by Robert Cecil 1622 RH Tower York 1622 Drayton's Polyolbion c1637 Jonson 'Sad Shepherd' (RH) 1652/1680 LJ's grave St Michael's Hathersage (Derby) 1673 RH's Butts (Surrey); 17th cent Broadside ballad (1st appearance Alan a Dale) mid-17th cent Percy Folio ms 1700 RH's Cave / woods of Bishops hill 1700 1st RH placename Sherwood 1765 Percy 1786 John Little (Beeston, Notts) 1795/1820/32 Ritson ("RH born 1160, died 1247/1274 at 87 yo") 18th cent William Wallace "Scottish Robin Whood" ("1304") 1818 Sir W Scott 'Ivanhoe' 1852/83 Hunter (RH of Newton) 1883 Pyle 1911 Encyc Britannica 1936 Owen (Hobbehod) 1957 R Graves 1976/7/1997 Dobson & Taylor 1982/9 Holt 1984 Carpenter/ITV Robin of Sherwood 1985 Bellamy 1987 Keen 1991 RH Prince of Thieves 1994/97/2003 Stephen Knight 1997 Child 2001 B Green (Yorks) 1997/2007 Ohlgren 2009 Luxford (1460) 2009 JP Davis 'Unknown Templar' 2010 Baldwin (Godberd)
At this time of year we wonder about the RH Grave inscription "24 kalends Dekembris" [or "18 November"] "1247" [or "1347"].
the Bishop of Hereford [or Ely] there is a question of if the "Bishop's
Tree" is actually genuine or not, and so whether the bishop was
traveling between Hereford/Ely and York, or if was a local Hereford/Ely
Robin Hood separate story merged in.
I wonder if Robin Goodfellow indicates Roger Godberd? Jolly Robin and Jolly Roger?? Bonny Robin and Br(o)un Robin??
Re 400 pounds of Sir Richard, i found 300 pounds in the Miller of Mansfield which supposed to be set in Henry 2nd's reign.
always still wonder if Chaucer's Canterbury Pilgrims connect with Robin
Hood. It is just so strange that quite a few characters so similar. Chaucer -- RH: Knight -- Sir Richard at Lee Squire -- Little John? Yeoman -- Robin Hood? Prioress -- Prioress of Kirklees nun -- monk -- RH & the Monk? Tuck? Friar -- Friar Tuck Merchant -- cf Robert Dore of Wadsley? Clerk of Oxenford -- Barrister/Sergeant-at-law -- Franklin -- poor parson - similar to - Robin Hood.
RH & LJ & WS Robert Bruce, John Balliol, William Wallace??
From the new timeline we post in the RH lists thread:
We have divided/broken the timeline into sections with the breaks at places of seeming significant historical Robin Hood dates. Strange
that St Richard may suggest date later than Hobbehod. (Could St Richard
also imply anything else about Sir Richards name or location??)
1166-c1377 seems to be the maximum range for Robin Hood candidates. It
is interesting that 3 witnesses/sources claim RH was in 1266-1283 time
period (Bower, Polychronicon, Wyntoun). (Though why didn't Fordun
mention?) This is time of Godberd (& Foliiot). Sheriff of Nott
conflict with outlaws 1266, and numbers of robbers in 1272. Fits with St
Interesting that there are a few possible
Lincoln(shire) RH connections: Kyme of Lindsey; Lincoln Green; Witham
ms; Lincoln cathedral ms; [Sir Richard G & St Mary's Cathederal?]
I am puzzled by the Hobbehod versus Kyme dates and pros & cons.
Edward 3 seems to have quite a few pros for being king of Robin Hood of
the Gest. Gest says "Edward", and the "our (comely) king" implies
writer/composer was contemporary while its date would be later rather
than earlier. Edw 3 parliament 15 x York, Edw 3 ref to as oure cumly
king c1339, Bernesdale in records of Edw 3 (in British History site,
which i can't view unless pay for), Edw 3 aid from Saylis, crept into
Nottingham, robertsmen, brother Robert of York [Friar Tuck candidate],
tournaments, royal writ everyman archery. Plumptoun Laund / Plumpton Hay
during Edw 3 reign.
Edw 1: every man arms, tourn 1290, recuit
men of Sherwood, roberdsmen, polychronicon, statute Winchester everyman
arms, barnsdale rife with robbers. Time of Robert Butler of Skelbrooke.
2 (of Hunter's theory): visited Nottingham, in Lancs (like in Gest),
"sodomy" (like French claim of RH / merry men), Berkeley similar to
Kirklees, investigation royal forests incl Plumpton Park, porter named
RH (jadis may imply previously).
am wondering if a research more into the 6 or 7 main sources (Muskham
chron, Lincoln cath ms, Wyntoun, legal maxim, acrostic, Bower, Witham,
Monkbretton) might lead to further connections/leads/discoveries.
2 sicari dates: liber niger sicari 1190s, "sicarius 1266" of Bower.
Yes Robin Hood is real and is Roger Godberd, now proven.
Robin Hood persons, places, etc.
Roger Godberd (& John Deyville) persons, places, etc.
Abbot of St Mary's
~ Simon of Warwick (justice in 1268) 1258/1263? Abbot of
Gerewedon/Garendon (feast St Mary 1266)?
"Adam (step)father of Robin Hood"?
~ stepfather Anketil de Swaninton?
Alan/Allen-A-Dale (story alt told of Will Scarlet)
~ Garendon/Gerewedon (charter(s))? St Andrew the Apostle?
Anketil of Swanington? Baldwin de Akeny? W de Helynn? Jocelin
Deyville? Alan a Dale is a late entry so might possibly not be
part of original history? [or ... de la ...? or Alanus Dale
Bishop of Hereford
~ Gaol/Sheriff of Hereford (Godberd) ? Abbot of
Gerewedon/Garendon? [or John de Breton debts/owed/disappears
c1255/1261/1265? "Hereford RH 1263" (Graham)? William
Bereford justice of King's bench (Edw 1)? (John Romanus) Abp of
York (hunt 9 days in yr) &/or Hugh de Stapleford (15 Edw 1)?
Hugo de Hereford (Giffard)? Mr Symon de Hereford? Pardon to Henry
de Penebrige Hereford 1267-8? Pardon from Abp to men of Stratford
on Avon 1267?]
Bishop of Ely
~ Godberd robbed Stanley Abbey? [or Robert Deyville of Ely
1266/7? Robert Hod of Ely/Cambridge 1269?]
David of Doncaster
~ Walter Devyas/Deuyas/Deyvas/de Euyas/de Ewyas? J/R/N/J
~ Richard de Gaham, parson of Schirlond?
Curtal Friar/F(f)rere Tuck(e)/Tuk(e) "of Fountains
Dale/Abbey" ("chaplain", "lusty/bawdy",
"wore an artificial phallus", "RH offers him a lady
free", "Abbot of Misrule", fool)
~ Dick Partington/Patrington
~ Richard de Gaham, parson of Schirlond (of Roger Godberd's
band)? [R Toks?]
[~ Parson of Chaucer's CTs?]
(Robin Hood) earl of huntingdon
~ Roger Gode-berd of Swaneton/swaninton/swanington? Anketil of
~ (Godberd came at) Gerewedon/Garendon? William fuiz le
Chapeleyn? [Evesham? Kenilworth?]
~ Herbert de St Quintin? or else Walter de
Ewyas/Devyas/Deuyas/Deyvas/de Euyas? or (Roger) Godbert? [&/or
George a Green the Pinder of Wakefield
~ Geoffrey Godberd? Roger de Remes? Gilbert de Preston? Richard
de le/la Vache/Wache? Baldwin Wake? Baldwin Akeny?
["Guy of Warwick"
~ lord Earl Warenn? See Sir Guy of Gisburn.]
~ Reginald justice of Chester? or Simon of Warwick justice in
1268? [or J de Cobbeham (Justice)?] [or William Bereford justice
of King's bench (Edw 1)? Geoffry Labley chief justice in Eyre of
the k's forests north of Trent? Hugh Nevil justice of the forest?]
John Little/LeTall/Naylor of Hathersage (always count money,
like brother to RH, "Scot", knows Barnsdale/Sherwood)
~ Et Sire Jo(h)n Deyville/D'Eyvile/deEyvill/deDaiville ("a
man clever/cunning/canny (or hard or hot) & a warrior
strong/doughty") (keeper of forests north of Trent) 1260s? or
son John Deyville of Adlingfleet (served at Falkirk 1298)? or else
John de Haversham? or John, son of John? and/or RG versus Jordan
Le Fleming [cross Jordan river]?
King & Prince (Bower) / King Edward (Gest)
~ Lord Edward, later king Edward 1 1265/1272/1290/1298?
knight Sir Richard's son
~ Edmund son of Richard Foliot? or Roger son of Richard d 1274?
[and/or son John 1298?]
Much/Midge (Michael/Mitch/Mickey/Mike) "the Miller's son"
(sometimes replaces Will Scarlet as 3rd)
~ William de Mungumry? (or William de Maysam?) [&/or
quindene/feast/day of St Michael / Michaelmas?] [or Nicholas de la
monk (in 'RH & the Monk')
~ "a certain monk killed there"?
~ RH? parson of Schirlond? Preston?]
Robin Hood / Robard Hude / Robin Goodfellow / gode Robyn /
Robyn(e) Hode / Robin_A-liue / Robin of Loxley / Robert Hood earl
of huntingdon ("gode yeman") [may be connection of RH
with St Peter('s) (of York)?]
~ Roger (de) God-berd of Swaneton/Swaninton/Swanington (accused
of & denies being "a public criminal of many burglaries,
homicides, arsons, and robberies ...and ... larceny", "says
that he has always thereafter conducted himself well and
faithfully towards the said king and his heirs and everybody
else", lands in Leic(ester(shire))/Leyc, son of Anketil of
Swanington, at Gerewedon/Garendon) [compare Roger Robelard, Jolly
Roger]? [and possibly Robert_le_Lou (lands in Northants)? and
possibly Robert Deyville (family home at Hode/Hood 1264)?]
[Godberd could mean good beard in connection with popish "St
Peter" had bushy beard?]
Ranulf earl of Chester [~ killed a Ralph?]
~ Reginald de Grey (justice of Chester, Sheriff Nott)? and
Godberd imprisoned at Chester? [and possibly steward of Earl of
~ Reginald de Grey? [and/or Reginald le Porter (Giffard)?]
[Gerewedon/Garendon? Lea? Leic/Leyc?]
Sir Richard at Lee (as if 2 diff kts, changed livery 2nd visit)
~ Sir Richard Foliot (changed sides) 1263/4/1271/2? and/or
Richard de la Vache/Wache? [and/or Sir John Deyville?]
Sheriff of Nott
~ Reginald de Grey? William de Grey in conflict with outlaws
1266? John de Balliol Sh of Nott?
Sir(e) Guy(e) of (Good) Gisb(o)urn(e) (capull-hyde) :
~ Warin [Guarin] de Bassingburne "who had died"? [+
"indicted/aquited for death of William fuiz le Chapeleyn?] [&
eve St Giles 1264?]
Red Roger &/or sir Roger of Donkesly/Donkestere/Doncaster
[cp Lancaster] [possible insider]
~ Roger de Remes? or Robert le Lou (knight, lands in
Northamptonshire)? or Roger de Leukenore/Leukmore? [or (Sir) Roger
de Doncaster/Denecastre/Donecastre (1266-79) (Giffard)? or Roger
de Doncaster (Nott, 1267-70)?]
~ Augustinians 1256? [or Newstead/NovoLoco of St Augustine
~ St Calixtus [Caracalla] 1266?
St/Virgin Mary ("our dear lady")
~ "on Saturday next after the feast of the Nativity of the
Blessed Mary" 1266? [&/or Margaret?]
~ Herbert de St. Quintin?
St Richard of Cirencester
~ St Richard of Cirencester 1262? Richard de Gaham, parson of
~ Nicholas de la Hus'? Ralph le Boteller?
Simon over the Lee, the Noble Fisher man (Robin Hood pseudonym)
~ Roger Godberd was of Swaneton/Swaninton/Swanington in
Lei-cester (and served under Simon de Montfort Earl of
Lei-cester)? [Gode-berd might mean good beard and link with Simon
Peter who popists claim had bushy beard?]
"Thomas brother of RH" (~ Thom(s) on RH grave?)
~ Walter Devyas/Deuyas/Deyvas? Richard de Gaham? St
Bartholomew? Stephen brother of Sir Richard Foliot? Thomas earl of
Lancaster? Thom(s) on RH grave? Little John? Swannington? Jordan
Le Fleming? Preston? [Thomas Furnivall? Thomas Deyville 1322?]
Will(iam) Scarlock/Scarlet/Gam(e)well) (earl of Maxfield,
"cousin", sometimes replaced by Much as 3rd, story of
Alan a Dale alt told of WS)
~ William brother of Roger Godberd? and/or William de Grey? or
Parson of Schirlond? or William de Maysam? or (Walter Ewyas)
indicted for murder of William fuiz le Chapeleyn? [or William le
Wasteneys "who has died"?]
~ Robert de
[or Walter Devyas?]
William Goldsborough [Will Scarlet?]
~ William (brother of Roger) Godbert?
~ William (le) Wasteneys "who has died" (Godberd)?
[3/4: (Robin,) John, Will &/or Much
~ 3: Roger Godberd, John, William de Grey, Reginald? or Roger
Godberd, John Deyville & Walter Devyas? or Roger Godberd,
Roger de Remes, Nicholas de la Hus'?]
Merry Men / 7 score men
~ Godberd could call on a 100 men? "Reginald de Grey ...
fighting outlaws in Notts, Leic, Derby"? Numbers of
robbers... Notts, Leics, Derby, ways 1272? Wrongdoers/evildoers?
[mainpernors?] William de Grey in conflict with outlaws 1266? K
Edw recruited men of Sherwood? [his accomplices?]
~ feast of St Bartholomew? wood of Bullewell? Foliot's Fenwick?
Ferresdale (Rufford recs)?]
~ Fenwick/Fenwyk? [Evesham? Grymestone/Grimston 1264? Hampole?
Campsall?] See Gandelyn/Gamelyn.]
~ RH's grave Kirklees? charter Kirklees c1240? Sheriff Walter
de Stirclerle/Stirkelegh 1274? vill Lea? Earl's Steigh? Mary of
Edwinstowe? Kirk(e)by Fields/Moors? Kirklond/Birkland? Kirkby in
Ashfield? Kirklington? Skelbrooke bell Ear 13th c (& Hampole)?
Birkby (Giffard)? Birley/Berlay/Birlay? Berkelay?
Kirkella/elvele/elveley? kirkeleye? Kirkleatham?]
~ Lewes 1264? a vill called Lea (12 mi east of Blythe, near
Fenwick/Deighton)? Leyc/Leic(ester(shire))? la Vache/Wache? field
of Bullewell? [or Annesley? Leen? The Meadows? Felley? Thurgaton A
~ Kenilworth 1266/c1322 (Loxley manor granted to Kenilworth
priory 1253)? Robert le Lou (lands in Northants)?
Leic(estershire)/Leyc? vill called Lea east of Blythe? [or Lovely
Grange Field (Aldox/Oldox/Oxton)? Broxtow? Luvereshale? Novo Loco
~ Godberd died 1276 / dead 1293? John Deyville died c 1291-5?
[or Sheriff Walter de Stirclerle/Stirkelegh 1274?]
22 yrs pardon to death
3+ yrs ('RH & the Potter')
~ "4 yrs"? 1265-7? 1267-70? 1270-2?
7 yrs (Gest)
Sir Richard's ancestors 100 yrs knights
~ Foliots in 1110, 1165, 1270/2, 1290? [and compare RH 1160 to
Godberd 1260s? and "1247/1274 or 1347/1374"?] [&/or
Sir John Deyvilles ancestors?]
Robber, King's Felon, Outlaw/Wolfshead
~ outlawed follower of Montfort? RG outlawed 1265? "did
not appear" (Jordan v Roger)? trespasses and forfeitures.
charged with divers trespasses. "outlaws". accused of
various crimes. accused of & denies being "a public
criminal of many burglaries, homicides, arsons, and robberies
...and ... larceny". accused of poaching.
RH & LJ pardoned
~ "Godberd pardoned in 1266 / by K Edw 1"? or John
Deyville member of K's household 1285?
400 pounds (unlikely after 1279)
~ John Deyville's settlement of a mortgage of 400 pounds to
Abbot of St Mary's in 1276?
Earl of Maxfield (Will Scarlet/Gam(e)well) ~ Montfort earl of Leicester? William de Maysam?
3/4: Robin Hood, Little John, Will Scarlet &/or Much ~ Roger Godberd, John Deyville / John de Haversam / John son of John, William de Grey & Geoffrey Godberd (one different name/person)? Roger Godberd, John Deyville & Walter (one different name/person)?
And now i have to quit this as i have other things that i seriously need and want to do.
It turns out i made a stupid mistake with St Richard. I confused St Richard of Chichester and "Richard of Cirencester". St Richard in the Gest is suggested to be St Richard of Chichester whose date happens to well fit with Godberd. I confused with "Richard of Cirencester" which i connected with Richard de Gaham parson of Schirlond [Friar Tuck] suggesting hence why St Richard in the Gest (abit mysterious/strange "why St Richard of Cirencester" according to fresnostate.edu Gest notes). St = parson = chaplain/friar. Cirencester = Schirlond? This is wrong. There is perhaps another possibility: Tuck was of Fountains Dale/Abbey, and St Richard of the Gest has also/alternatively been suggested to be Richard of Fountains Abbey.
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