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    Posted: 30-Jun-2007 at 19:41

Why did they form Israel? Was it compensation after WW2? Who gave the Jewish people land? Was Palestine informed about this, or did they have a say in it?

Sorry, but as you can tell i'm uninformed about this topic and it's pretty interesting.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jun-2007 at 17:36
Originally posted by ChickenShoes

isn't israel where Judea used to be? if so, that is the right place is it not?

 
 
In ancient times, modern-day Israel Was split between the northern Kingdom of Israel and the southern Kingdom of Judah(Judea?)
 
Is that what you're refering to?
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isn't israel where Judea used to be? if so, that is the right place is it not?
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jun-2007 at 09:37
Maybe the Greeks should get back all of Alexanders empires because they ruled once? Claiming an area becasue your people ruled it 2500 years ago is inane.
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Originally posted by pekau

I was just wondering... the establishment of Israel in Middle East clearly did not work out. What if you, as the representive of the victorious Allies, had the power to decide where Israel will be established? Where would you create and and why?
  
 
There cannot be such a what if...Zionism movement which had the most influential role in the taking of the establishment grant from Britain with Balfour Declaration, was always seeking, like every other Jewish who had worked towards an independent Israeli state, to establish a state on their very historical holy area..
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They should've been returned to their countries in Europe, and compensated for the damages done to them.

I think giving them part of Angola would've been just as unfair as giving them palestine.
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Originally posted by Frederick Roger

After WWII there was a semi-secret talk between the Portuguese and British governments envisaging the creation of a new state of Israel in Angola. Tongue

 
Unbelievable!
 
I would give them passports to whichever country they wish to go to, though countries may set a limit so as to not find themselves swamped and overcome as per Palestine.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Jun-2007 at 22:52
In all honesty, given current events and the pretty obvious reasons why so many Arabs were angry at the creation of Israel, i'd probably opt for it not to be created at all.
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The main problem was not the placement but rather the creation. Had "Israel" been placed in Europe, Africa, South America or Asia the world would still be experiencing issues with that state. The creation was symptomatic of Western European Imperialsim. The victorious powers in each of the world wars did not take into account the effects of placing rival ethnic groups together in one state: ie Hutus and Bantus (Rawanda). In a way this answers the question but for the most part this response merely dodges the issue inorder to say that the establishment of "Israel" in a different region/place would do nothing but move the conflict from the Middle East to some other location.     
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After WWII there was a semi-secret talk between the Portuguese and British governments envisaging the creation of a new state of Israel in Angola. Tongue
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a very complicated re-drawing of borders i would think!
 
Jerusalem should probably become an independent city-state
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I was just wondering... the establishment of Israel in Middle East clearly did not work out. What if you, as the representive of the victorious Allies, had the power to decide where Israel will be established? Where would you create and and why?
 
And according to your decision, how would it change the world we live in today? Towards better? Towards worse?
 
Just a note: This has nothing to do with antisemtism or any other negative attitude towards current Israel. It's just another typical "What if" question.
 
 
     
   
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