Suleyman and Vienna

Originally posted by Shafi Could you provide the web page link plz ?

I wish. It was some time ago. But it did have to do with the Istanbul museum. I'll try to find it.

Veni,vidi,vici Jan III at Vienna.

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Originally posted by Temujin Originally posted by Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner Nobody gets bent out of shape when one sees contemporary spellings of, say "landsknecht"--it can be spelled as landsknecht or lanzknecht.  It's considered the same word (both refer to the same thing), and yet the literal translations are obviously different ("servant of the land" and "lance-servant" respectively). but Landsknecht with z is wrong. the weapon fo choice of the landsknecht soldeirs was the Pike and not the Lanze (lance), therefore spellign with z is wrong.

Tell that to the folks who lived in the Hapsburg territories circa 1500 AD, who began using the "z" spelling at that time.

Or to Sir John Smythe, who referred to the "lance-knights Almains", back in 1590.

And, modern German/English dictionaries list both spellings.

So, lanzknecht may be "wrong" to you, but it's still an historically valid spelling.

Strictly speaking, the lance and pike are not the same--the former is a horseman's weapon, while the latter is a footman's weapon.  However, this distinction was apparently not always recognized, as the historical use of the term lanzknecht clearly shows.

Another example would be Antonio Pigafetta's first-hand account of the Battle of Mactan in the Philippines, where Magellan was killed.  The weapons that Magellan and his men used included pikes or half-pikes (probably the latter)--they were fighting on foot, in the surf--yet Pigafetta describes them as "lances".

 

 

 

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this is the reason

1. winter
2. the supplies road become too long
3. the main reason the fate if he did it maybe europe now is muslim place 

for me i am sad he coulden't make it

Well actually Suleyman's goal wasnt besieging vienna.He was expecting to face an army on an open field.His cannons werent suited for siege  and some were left on the road to vienna to lighten the load.His army was demoralised as they wanted to fight on a field.(thats how Turkish troops were...If you promised them a good fight and didnt give it to them they sulked.)Yet Suleyman besieged the city.But the defenders werent giving up that easily so he packed up and returned home.(I think its a pity he coudnt take the city.)