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Aster Thrax Eupator
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Topic: Greeks Posted: 25-May-2008 at 18:55 |
Woah! I didn't mean to start a whole debate about this subject! I don't think that all Turks hate all Greeks - I'm not that ignorant! I'm just saying that quite a few turks and greeks that I've met don't seem to like the other country that much. That's all I was saying and I wasn't saying about the countries as a whole.
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 18:59 |
Originally posted by Efraz
Some people are just inclined to hate... They can easily hate the people next door or the supporters of the "other" team. |
Absolutely agree. Simple minded people, unable to see the facts behind the fairytale that is presented in front of their eyes. People who looks always for excuses instead of assuming responsibility and hide from their own mistakes and wrongdoings.
I have travelled in many places and met many people. It is impossible to say e.g. Greeks are like that or Turks like this. We're all people and one will find good and bad people of every nationality or background.
The Turks that I've met so far are nice, polite and friendly people. I'm sure there're some who're not, then again this applies all around the world.
An afternoon that I spend at a small tavern near the Bosporus, drinking raki with a Turk colleague and eating meze, while listening to Greek music (Ntalaras) over the loudspeakers, will be forever in my mind...
Cheers
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No worries Aster. I understand what you mean. Still politics and personal relationships are two different things.
So let's enjoy diversity!
Edited by Yiannis - 25-May-2008 at 19:01
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 19:07 |
Originally posted by Aster Thrax Eupator
Woah! I didn't mean to start a whole debate about this subject! I don't think that all Turks hate all Greeks - I'm not that ignorant! I'm just saying that quite a few turks and greeks that I've met don't seem to like the other country that much. That's all I was saying and I wasn't saying about the countries as a whole. |
Agh! my friend never said you did. And I don't see a debate here just a friendly chat. I wanted to add my opinion that's all. Ofcourse such an adept in ancient history can not think like that :) Never doubted :)
Originally posted by Yiannis
An afternoon that I spend at a small tavern near the Bosporus,
drinking raki with a Turk colleague and eating meze, while listening to
Greek music (Ntalaras) over the loudspeakers, will be forever in my
mind...
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And be careful that's addictive :) Even better in Princess Islands
where you can find many Greek people too(at last I have come close to
the topic). They make best Mezes... Yeah cheers
Edited by Efraz - 25-May-2008 at 19:16
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 19:20 |
Oh, yes! We're grossly off-topic. Please open a new thread if you want to discuss futher...
(that was the mod talking :p)
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 21:16 |
Originally posted by Efraz
Great Photos and illustrations. I have spent more than an hour, damn :)
Today most Turks and Greeks are totally indiscernible. Ofcourse there are still Turks can be distinguished by their tartaric or kurdish looks but I said "most".
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Efraz, you're new here but I have already noticed you're a proper person from your writtings. I agree with things you've said here. About the quote above, i agree. Especially in the west regions of Turkey you can see people that are alike people from other neighbouring countries. Besides, I do not believe that the regions that were originally considered the place of the Turkic people were emptied and moved to Anatolia. In Anatolia, there were many people of different background. Many of them were remnands of glorious cultures that started to loose identity or were easily adaptable to new ones. For example people having Phrygian, Hittite, Lydian, Lycia etc descend. Anatolia simply happened to become a centre for the Ottoman empire.
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But happily I have many Greek and Turkish friends cherish those common background without arguing like children.
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Thankfully me too. Also, in this forum you can see there's never a tention between Greeks and Turks. At least as long as i have been here. I believe this helps 3rd parties to get a clear picture from the peoples perspective.
Originally posted by Efraz
This is international weapon dealers'
view of Aegean. Selling same guns to either side every year. Making
money on an assumed Aegean war that will never take place if WE don't
wish for it.
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A bravo as we say! This is what most people i meet from Turkey tell me. We're talking about huge amounts of money. There's absolutely no good scenario for the weapon industry to loose clients like Greek and Turkey. Anyway, this is not a subject to be discussed here. Good point though.
Edited by Flipper - 25-May-2008 at 21:17
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 22:13 |
Well we were just chatting over the photos and conversation grew(as always). There is no discussion as far as I am concerned :) I don't think being a little off topic should end an entertaining conversation but alas these are the rules. I will shut up right now. :)
But thank you for your kind words. I could not agree more on the origins issue.
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Posted: 26-May-2008 at 01:33 |
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Ah there is one more thing. Don't you watch the Eurovision? :) Greeks always get votes from Turkey. ;) |
And Turkey gets Nil Points from Greece
Vorian I don't agree this. I will never. This is international weapon dealers' view of Aegean. Selling same guns to either side every year. Making money on an assumed Aegean war that will never take place if WE don't wish for it. |
I don't think these conspiracy theories are healthy for the mind. Weapon dealers exist, its a trade and where there is demand there is supply, you can't simply blame arms traders for the problem.
Turks and Greeks waste money on weapons and point them at each other in some fantasy war.
They both have big egos and macho attitudes, they should just let woman rule the countries and ban testosterone pumped men from it.
Turks and Greeks hate each other until they meet each other and are shocked that neither of them are a 10ft moustached phycho killer.
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Posted: 26-May-2008 at 02:48 |
Turks and Greeks hate each other until they meet each other and are
shocked that neither of them are a 10ft moustached phycho killer. |
I loved this line. Made me laugh at 5 in the morning. Being drunk from the club helped but still....priceless.
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Posted: 26-May-2008 at 11:01 |
Originally posted by Bulldog
Vorian I don't agree this. I will never. This is international weapon dealers' view of Aegean. Selling same guns to either side every year. Making money on an assumed Aegean war that will never take place if WE don't wish for it. |
I don't think these conspiracy theories are healthy for the mind. Weapon dealers exist, its a trade and where there is demand there is supply, you can't simply blame arms traders for the problem.
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It's plain I did not mean that. But I see this is your habit. Whatever, we were warned not to keep the discussion going.
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Posted: 26-May-2008 at 12:59 |
Yes indeed. Please guys, open a new thread to continue off-topic discussion.
Thanks!
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(Some of the) MODERN GREEKS THAT MATTER . . CONSTANTINOS CAVAFIS (April 29, 1863–April 29, 1933) One of the most important poets of modern times worldwide. Unique in his kind, a class of his own.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n3n2Ox4Yfk http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8058124818898466903&q=cavafy&ei=ni5xSJ-kIZ-a2wLmpYW0DQ . . .
ODYSSEUS ELYTIS (November 2, 1911—March 18, 1996) 1979 Nobel Prize in Literature . . . . GEORGIOS SEFERIS (March 13, 1900 - September 20, 1971) 1963 Nobel Prize in Literature . . . MELINA MERKOURI (October 18, 1920 – March 6, 1994) International actress & democracy hero http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCFXGanTx4A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pK3ggH3wrQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-weYBZwncg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLFXKnSTy-Q&feature=related . . . THEODOROS ANGELOPOULOS One of the world's greatest living directors http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wH8lNwGhPo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAz9Vc2lVVA . . . MIKIS THEODORAKIS Prominent composer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-X3XbDORfk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TorYVReym-8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r-dPCnnm0A&feature=related . . . MANOS HADJIDAKIS (October 23, 1925 – June 15, 1994) Composer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsX_FnBgbvw . . . VANGELIS PAPATHANASIOU Composer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Tg0PaWaNM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT5zCHn0tsg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYJzcUvS_NU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYeDsa4Tw0c&feature=related . . . KONSTANTINOS KARATHEODORIS (caratheodory) (September 13, 1873 – February 2, 1950) Mathematician, significant contributor to the theory of functions of a real variable, the calculus of variations, and measure theory. His work also includes important results in conformal representations and in the theory of boundary correspondence. In 1909, Carathéodory pioneered the Axiomatic Formulation of Thermodynamics along a purely geometrical approach. . . . GEORGIOS PAPANIKOLAOU (May 13, 1883–February 19, 1962) Pioneer in cytology and early cancer detection . . . DIMITRIOS NANOPOULOS Leading physicist, he is one of the most regularly cited researchers in the world, cited more than 19,000 times over across a number of separate branches of science.
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Posted: 07-Jul-2008 at 00:42 |
Originally posted by Efraz
Great Photos and illustrations. I have spent more than an hour, damn :)Today most Turks and Greeks are totally indiscernible. Ofcourse there are still Turks can be distinguished by their tartaric or kurdish looks but I said "most". |
Wow thanks Greco for these images- the drama our anestors went through to fight tyranny. My Yia Yia's mother was killed by the Nazis in Crete; she was from Korinthos. I wonder if I could be related to someone in those old black and white photos.
Efraz I agree and I saw some Turks who looked Greek but most did not and I could the Tarter in some or Kurdish. Even though I take a lot after my German 1/4 many of the Turks in Istanbul thought I was Turkish. But, then again when I was in N. Italy I blended in and even in Ireland even though I am slightly darker than most Irish. In Greece they would often ask me if I was a German; even though I speak English with a North American accent- Canadian. funny I live in the USA near Canada.
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Posted: 07-Jul-2008 at 10:58 |
Famous Greek actors from 70's
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Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε
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Posted: 07-Jul-2008 at 18:38 |
Some more photos. And a site with Greek faces from TV http://www.geocities.com/greek_race/greekpeople.htm
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Posted: 07-Jul-2008 at 18:48 |
They are new to me but I do not get Greek TV here although I have thought about it when I was trying to learn Greek in this English dominated part of the USA.
These are the only Greek actors I am familar with:
The movie was great but their attempt at a TV series was a total bust-
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Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε
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Posted: 09-Jul-2008 at 20:44 |
Speaking of Greek actors... this guy is really important. THYMIOS KARAKATSANISA devoted Aristophanic theatre actor and director! If you find yourself in Greece look if he has any play up to watch, you will be stunned! Here are some photos of Aristophanes "Ploutos" play by Karakatsanis.
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Posted: 09-Jul-2008 at 23:50 |
The man in the middle looks like Benny Hill (late)- English actor and comedian.
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Posted: 10-Jul-2008 at 15:48 |
The geezer in the middle (2nd photo) is Karakatsanis (1st photo) under heavy make-up. In ancient drama all actors used clay masks like these (painted of course):
This was for a reason of course. Spectators in the back could listen easily to the actors even when wispering due to the advanced acoustics of the ancient theaters. But they could not read the expressions of their faces easily, thus masks with exaggerated face expressions needed according to play characters. Today when ancient drama is performed (revived the previous century by the Great mystic Poet Angelos Sikelianos) they use heavy make-up mostly, but in some plays you can still find masks used. Concluding... ancient drama pawns!
PS 2nd photo right, and 3rd photo left is Giorgos Konstantinou! An actor with a huge bio, ranging from old 60s black-white movies to 80/90s tv serials and many theater plays. Notorious for this scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4rPrEmW5fs&feature=related
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Other actors
SAKIS BOULAS - PAVLOS CHAIKALIS . . PETROS PHILIPIDES - PAVLOS CHAIKALIS . . GIANNIS BEZOS
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