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Posted: 12-Feb-2008 at 09:37 |
Kindly post the link where you pictures are from in each case. You have 24 hours otherwise these are history.
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Posted: 24-May-2008 at 19:45 |
to be honest i'm not impressed, they don't seem to fit to be the heirs of ancient greeks who worshipped gods like zeus and apollo
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Posted: 24-May-2008 at 20:26 |
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to be honest i'm not impressed, they don't seem to fit to be the heirs of ancient greeks who worshipped gods like zeus and apollo |
How exactly did you picture ancient Greeks? (Not wanting to sound nationalistic or anything, but you can be sure that Greeks, Romans, Lydians etc all looked something like we do, though shorter.)
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 11:42 |
Great Photos and illustrations. I have spent more than an hour, damn :)
Today most Turks and Greeks are totally indiscernible. Ofcourse there are still Turks can be distinguished by their tartaric or kurdish looks but I said "most".
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 11:57 |
I surely do not believe that i look like an Ancient Greek...
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 12:42 |
I don't mean to offend anyone, but I seems that those costumes in some respects look a little like Turkish traditional costume
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 12:47 |
Well, you can't possibly expect we would have the same clothes with the ancients?? Fashion changes every summer nowadays
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 12:52 |
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I don't mean to offend anyone, but I seems that those costumes in some respects look a little like Turkish traditional costume |
Why not? Two cultures have adopted many things from each other. I can show you Greek costumed folklore dancers in Turkey too. If not
for the politics and religion we would be much closer. We even lost track which tradition belonged to whom originally. There are ugly discussions of that area too.
But today even the mention of it may offend the nationalists on both sides as you said. They look on e mirror and fight with their image. I find this sad. But happily I have many Greek and Turkish friends cherish those common background without arguing like children.
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 13:04 |
I love both of your countries - especially the food (much better than "English" but not that that's saying much). I used to live in Istanbul and most of the Turks and Greeks that I met seemed to hate each other.
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 13:26 |
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I love both of your countries - especially the food (much better than "English" but not that that's saying much). I used to live in Istanbul and most of the Turks and Greeks that I met seemed to hate each other. |
Some people are just inclined to hate... They can easily hate the people next door or the supporters of the "other" team. I
sincerely don't believe most Turks hate Greeks from an Istanbulite
point of view. Maybe I am too naive...
My humble opinion is Turks like Greeks and find them close. Especially
after the Izmit earthquake. Greeks helped a lot. Ah there is one more thing. Don't you watch the Eurovision? :) Greeks
always get votes from Turkey. ;)
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 13:44 |
Originally posted by Efraz
Originally posted by Aster Thrax Eupator
I love both of your countries - especially the food (much better than "English" but not that that's saying much). I used to live in Istanbul and most of the Turks and Greeks that I met seemed to hate each other. |
Some people are just inclined to hate... They can easily hate the people next door or the supporters of the "other" team.
I
sincerely don't believe most Turks hate Greeks from an Istanbulite
point of view. Maybe I am too naive...
My humble opinion is Turks like Greeks and find them close. Especially
after the Izmit earthquake. Greeks helped a lot.
Ah there is one more thing. Don't you watch the Eurovision? :) Greeks
always get votes from Turkey. ;)
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It's like this. Our countries are enemies or at least adversaries. Nothing can change that in the immediate future. Too many unresolved issues. The people....well even though I am really interested in politics and defense I still have no problem with the Turkish people. I have met one or two in my holidays and neither hated them or quarreled with them, we had some drinks actually.
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 14:53 |
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It's like this. Our countries are enemies or at least adversaries.
Nothing can change that in the immediate future. Too many unresolved
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Greetings Vorian. I don't agree this. I will never. This is international weapon dealers' view of Aegean. Selling same guns to either side every year. Making money on an assumed Aegean war that will never take place if WE don't wish for it. That may stay as an evil nationalistic wet dream. And the unresolved issues? None of them will seem of significant importance if we live to see such a devastating war. Our forefathers knew the value of peace. I agree this part :)
Originally posted by Vorian
The people....well even though I am really interested in
politics and defense I still have no problem with the Turkish people. I
have met one or two in my holidays and neither hated them or quarreled
with them, we had some drinks actually.
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Nearly every Turk I know (who is not brain damaged by foul propagandas) thinks this way. A Turk and a Greek will sing same songs after one or two drinks.
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 15:20 |
Unfortunately efraz, it's more than weapon dealers. It's two strong countries in a geopolitical and energy crossroad. Unless we find a way to share it, problems will continue to exist.
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 16:08 |
Originally posted by Vorian
Unfortunately efraz, it's more than weapon dealers. It's two strong countries in a geopolitical and energy crossroad. Unless we find a way to share it, problems will continue to exist.
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True! There is no question about it. :) But on the day of the earthquake the borders didn't mean so much. We people give too much credit to past, to borders, to things that in reality doesn't have much say in our daily lives. We name the spaces on the earth as geopolitical. Vast and unlimited human greed. BTW I don't think Aegean is an energy crossroad nor as geopolitical as it was in the past.
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Posted: 25-May-2008 at 16:41 |
Just take a look at all these pipelines in Thrace. And there is talk about oil in the Aegean. Don't forget also that all the ships form the Black Sea have to pass through it.
I admire your feelings though and hope logic prevails in the future. I would hate to fight in a war, since I am in age of recruitment now and let's face it, conscripts are canon fodder nowadays.
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