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    Posted: 26-Jun-2007 at 17:08
Originally posted by hugoestr

Well, to be fair, Tommy, the Anglo immigrants were not following the rules by which they got in the land to begin with. And their cultural institutions clashed with Mexican ones.
 
Moslems in Europe anyone?
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jun-2007 at 17:10
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Originally posted by tommy

American had a  traditional value of democratic government, Santa Anna abolished the constitution created an excuse for American to revolt
 
How come a country, like the United States of those days, that kept a third of its population in the condition of slavery could be democratic? Ouch
 
How is it that 5th cent. BC Greece, the cradle of democracy, kept slaves?  And probably half the population.
 
It is not that simple.  If it were, it would be easy to discuss, but its not.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jun-2007 at 17:42
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Yes, "Americans" always make excusses to attack and invade countries in Latin America and the accross the world. 2 million vietnamesses also died because of the fight for "American freedom", you know.
 
But with the invasion and anexation of half Mexico, the U.S. made a big mistake. Today they have already 50 million Hispanics in the U.S., Most of which are Mexicans, living in the same territories theis country lost long time ago.
 
 
 
Anti-Gringo arguments as usual.  How boring.
 
The "half of Mexico" in question was virtually unpopulated, except for California - a huge area with a few hundred thousand people, remote from Mexico and not particularly in love with Santa Ana and the Mexican military elites.  There was virtually no resistance to the US in California, so who did the US "wrong?"
 
Was it the prairie dogs in New Mexico or the cacti in Arizona?
 
The hispanic population in the US is about 11% (about 30 million), and a lot of them have been here for many generations, some longer than the Anglos.
 
This stuff about foreigners being some kind of vague threat to America if they settle here is non sequitur.  A hundred years ago, the hordes of immigrants to America helped to make us a major power.  We could not have achieved that without them.
 
My own family was a mix of German Lutheran, Hungarian Catholic and Ulster Presbyterian.  The best man at my wedding was Italian; my wife is a Welsh/English Methodist.  My freshman and sophomore roomate at university was from (ahem) Mexico.  He majored in architecture and stayed here.
 
We are Western people.  And yes, Mexicans are Western - not European, but Western.  They work hard, they tend to be more devout Christians, and they have obvious intelligence and initiative.
 
I am not the least bit concerned about more Americans named Garcia and Martinez.
 
   
 
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jun-2007 at 17:45
Originally posted by hugoestr

Yet, the U.S. still controls the American South West It wasn't a mistake in the long term. It was unjust, but not a mistake.
 
Ah, Hugo, I knew you were a geopolitical realist.  Wink
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jun-2007 at 18:09
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Anti-Gringo arguments as usual.  How boring.
 
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The hispanic population in the US is about 11% (about 30 million), and a lot of them have been here for many generations, some longer than the Anglos.
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Sorry fellow, that percentage was in the 1990. LOL Today is reaching 15% or even more. 25% of the U.S. people will be Hispanic by 2050.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jun-2007 at 18:13
Originally posted by pinguin

Originally posted by pikeshot1600

 
Anti-Gringo arguments as usual.  How boring.
 
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The hispanic population in the US is about 11% (about 30 million), and a lot of them have been here for many generations, some longer than the Anglos.
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Sorry fellow, that percentage was in the 1990. LOL Today is reaching 15% or even more. 25% of the U.S. people will be Hispanic by 2050.
 
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In view of my post, what's your point?
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jun-2007 at 18:18
oopps. I though you were anti-Mexican LOL.
 
Yeah. It doesn't matter much. There are more things in common between Mexicans and Americans that people usually realize.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jun-2007 at 18:27
Originally posted by pikeshot1600

Originally posted by hugoestr

Yet, the U.S. still controls the American South West It wasn't a mistake in the long term. It was unjust, but not a mistake.


Ah, Hugo, I knew you were a geopolitical realist. Wink




He, he. Normally I feel better debating from the point of view of ethics. I am more at home there. But I can understand the point of view of the bottom line. Besides, my geopolitical realism gets me in trouble sometimes; people believe that I am supporting unethical leaders when I don't .
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jun-2007 at 21:36
Originally posted by pinguin

Yes, "Americans" always make excusses to attack and invade countries in Latin America and the accross the world. 2 million vietnamesses also died because of the fight for "American freedom", you know.
 
But with the invasion and anexation of half Mexico, the U.S. made a big mistake. Today they have already 50 million Hispanics in the U.S., Most of which are Mexicans, living in the same territories theis country lost long time ago.
 
 
 
Just goes to show how much difference that "war" ultimately made.... both the Spanish and English speaking populations have continued to live in the area regardless of who administrated it.  The Mexican-American war truly was a needless conflict.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2017 at 13:34
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Just to add something anecdotical about Santa Anna. I read somewhere that he was the guy that make popular bubble gum.

 


Where did you get this wrong piece of fictional information.Angry
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