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    Posted: 03-Feb-2005 at 22:38

During the Han dynasty, the Roman Empire was called "Chin". Same as the Chinese Warring State of Chin.

How come? Anyone know any reasons?
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Can you provide a link to any documents which claim that?  I would really like to know. 
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  hey man...long time no see coolstorm...

     rome wasn't only called the Qin, in fact it was called the "Great Qin"

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Was call by whom? Was documented by whom?
As Bandito said - we'd need to see the documentation to know where to begin to look. 

AFAIK, the Romans never called themselves that, nor AFAIK are there any records in the Greco-Roman, Egyptian or Persian sphere of influence for this use of that term.
 
If the term was used only in China - you would have to consult a Chinese linguist or historian.

http://depts.washington.edu/uwch/silkroad/texts/hhshu/hou_ han_shu.html#sec11
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That's pretty interesting, Rome called Chin or Qin. Always thought the radical for any language concerning the romans would be rom-.
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"rome wasn't only called the Qin, in fact it was called the "Great Qin"

The Chinese basically added "great" to every country's name.

Han dynasty was called "Great Han"

Tang dynasty was called "Great Tang"

The Chinese Chin dynasty was also called "Great Chin"

 
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So chinese have a crush on grandeur, hun?
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Originally posted by Infidel

So chinese have a crush on grandeur, hun?

  i know i do..
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   oh and have a look at this... http://depts.washington.edu/uwch/silkroad/texts/hhshu/notes1 1.html

   



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Maybe they thought that because the Romans were a great civilzation, they must be descendants of the Chin.
Just like the 16th century Europeans who thought the Aztecs and Incas had to be descendants of the Europeans, for no other people were thought to be able to build such great civilizations.
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Wasn't rome called Da qin?
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ai.....just another case of a civilization thinking it is supreme to all...and finding that there are others on almost or on par
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Originally posted by Mangudai

Wasn't rome called Da qin?


Qin there is the same word as the "Qin" Dynasty of China. "Da" means "Great." 

The main reason for "Qin" was probably the western direction you would travel to Find Rome.


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"Qin there is the same word as the "Qin" Dynasty of China. "Da" means "Great."  "

seems like u know chinese pretty well.

what are you?

 
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I took Da Qin to mean "Great Gold," because the Romans paid a lot of gold for Chinese silk.
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Qin is not gold, Jin is gold. Qin is the name of a mountain range where the original Qin was located.
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I knew it!! It was NOT Mulan who defeated the Huns in China, it was the ROmans who came to rescue their alies!! (Yes, I'm a psycho)

But this IS interesting!

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Mulan live in the period of Tang dynasty, which she lead an army defeat Turks, not Huns...

you waatched cartoon so much. also in Chinese history book record that Han have fought with Roman legion in middle Asia and crush them by 5000 against 20000.
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Originally posted by ChineseManchurian

Mulan live in the period of Tang dynasty, which she lead an army defeat Turks, not Huns...

you waatched cartoon so much. also in Chinese history book record that Han have fought with Roman legion in middle Asia and crush them by 5000 against 20000.



thats impressive, can you show any source that says that and maybe more info
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