Finno-Ugrian impact on Russian ethnos

Originally posted by aeon Originally posted by Tar Szer�nd There are the scripts of Herodot. Nort of the schytas, sauromats and sarmats are mentioned some finn-ugrians.    Does he call them Finno-Ugrians?     They were called yurkas (ob-ugrian: yugra)   Originally posted by Tar Szer�nd In a G�ran Burenhult book (The first men or in the Stone-Age World there is a map about the language groups, the finno-ugrians had got almost the whole territ. of todays Russia, north from Middle-Ukraine.   The map is wrong.

Originally posted by Tar Szer�nd  They were called yurkas (ob-ugrian: yugra) /QUOTE]   Herodotus mentions an obscure people called yiyirkai, but I doubt their name has anything to do with Ugra.   [QUOTE=Tar Szer�nd]  And : in the 9. Cent there were no slavic states east from Moravia. :-)

Уважаемый aeon, пожалуйста, не думай, что ты здесь "самый русский". Если тебе интересно, давай обсуждать эту тему без взаимных обвинений. По крайней мере, поляки или украинцы здесь не причем. Возможно польские историки и выдумали что нибудь подобное в 19м веке, Но мы здесь говорим не об этом, а о том насколько реальна теория о финно-угорском происхождении русских в принципе. Пожалуйста, выставляй здесь только факты. Когда ты меня обвиняешь в том, что я-поляк, ничего кроме смеха это во мне не вызывает. Если хочешь, почитай другие мои посты на этом форуме и ты удостоверишся в моей истинной национальной принадлежности.

Вот и все, ты, судя по всему, умный человек, вот и докажи мне все без лишних эмоций. А с реакционными поляками и украинцами мы можем "разобраться" в другом месте. 

Edited by Sarmat12 - 12-Jun-2007 at 14:23

Originally posted by axeman Plz. lets use English. Pazhalsta, budyim govarity pa angliski, patamushta eta intiresny topic.

Originally posted by Anton It seems Dyakov culture is supposed to be Finnish (atleast this is what wiki says).

Originally posted by aeon   Are you a conoisseur of Baltic and Finnic linguistics to determine what etymology is convincing?

Originally posted by Anton Genetical research cannot identify exactly how many percent of this or that nationality is present in some particular modern nation.

Originally posted by aeon What can, then? Propose better criteria.

Hello everybody!

Please describe your criteria of determining Finnish influence. The most obvious is the genetic marker N. Goging by it, 15% of Russians, 10% of Ukrainians, 10% of Belarusians and 5% of Poles are Finns.

Is that taken from the modern population of Finland? If it is taken form the modern Finnish population then there is a problem, because it doesn't say so much about the genetics of the finno-ugric populations of the Northern Russia. Keep in mind that the modern population of Finland is a mix of migrations to this area from west, south and east in time of thousands of years. So the genetics of modern Finns are different from the genetics of the Finnic tribes in Northern Russia in the first millenium.

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I'm not specialiced in Russian history, but i think it is just natural that the slavs mixed with the finno-ugrics. Finno-ugric and finnic tribes habitated the northern Russia and the Volga region, so when the Slavs came to the area it is natural that they mixed with the locals and the locals slowly adobted the slavic laguage. For example i think i've read somewhere that in early Novgorod most of the population where Finnic people, and there was a Slavic upperclass. And i read that the Old Ladoga (and maybe even Novgorod) was first a city/village of Finnic tribes (Carelians) and then later the Scandinavians (Vikings/Varjagians) and Slavs came to the trading cities. (There has been found even a birch bark letter that dates 13th century in Finnic, Carelian, language from Novogorod. Well it doesn't prove much, but anyway. 13th century birch bark letter)

O-jah

Originally posted by O-jah   Hello everybody! Please describe your criteria of determining Finnish influence. The most obvious is the genetic marker N. Goging by it, 15% of Russians, 10% of Ukrainians, 10% of Belarusians and 5% of Poles are Finns. Is that taken from the modern population of Finland? If it is taken form the modern Finnish population then there is a problem, because it doesn't say so much about the genetics of the finno-ugric populations of the Northern Russia. Keep in mind that the modern population of Finland is a mix of migrations to this area from west, south and east in time of thousands of years. So the genetics of modern Finns are different from the genetics of the Finnic tribes in Northern Russia in the first millenium.