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    Posted: 31-May-2007 at 17:05
I recently contributed to the Genographic Project sponsored by the Wyatt Family Foundation, IBM, and The National Geographic Society, and my results are listed below:
 
Heres a few quotes from the study:
 
My Haplogroup R1a1 M17: 
 
Your Y-chromosome results identify you as a member of haplogroup R1a1 (M17).   R1a1 is described by these markers: 
 
M168 > M89 > M9 > M45 > M207 > M173 > M17
 
 
 
M17: The Indo-Europeans of the Steppes of Asia

Fast Facts

Time of Emergence: 10,000 to 15,000 years ago

Place of Birth: Ukraine or southern Russia

Climate: Glaciers are retreating

Estimated Number of Homo sapiens: A few million

Tools and Skills: Possibly the first people to domesticate the horse

More info on my Haplogroup:

Today a large concentrationaround 40 percentof the men living in the Czech Republic across the steppes to Siberia, and south throughout Central Asia are members of haplogroup R1a1. In India, around 35 percent of the men in Hindi-speaking populations belong to this group. The M17 marker is found in only five to ten percent of Middle Eastern men. The marker is also found in relatively high frequencyaround 35 percentamong men living on the eastern side of present-day Iran.

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In Europe:
 
In Europe, the highest frequencies are found in Central and Eastern Europe. Today it is found at its highest levels in Poland, Hungary, (56%-60%), Ukraine (54%[1] or 44%), and Russia, where one out of two men has this haplogroup. In Hungary contradicting frequencies are reported 60% or 20%. Relatively high frequencies are also found among the ethnic Sorbs (63%) in eastern Germany and in Northern Europe (the largest being 23% in Iceland).
 
In Asia:
 
In Asia, high R1a1 frequencies are detected in populations of Ishkashimi (68%), Tajiks (64%), and Kyrgyz (63%).[5][6] "The exceptionally high frequencies of this marker in the Kyrgyz, TajikyKhojant, and Ishkashim populations are likely to be due to drift, as these populations are less diverse, and are characterized by relatively small numbers of individuals living in isolated mountain valleys". If the size of a population decreases, for example, in a particular fraternal family all male members will have 100% of R1a1 or 0 % of this marker
 
The gene has proven to be a diagnostic Indo-Iranian marker[5] and is believed to have been inherited from people who left a clear pattern of archaeological remains known as the Kurgan culture, generally identified as early Indo-Europeans, and later by the Vikings,[7] which accounts for the existence of it in, among other places, the British Isles.[8][9] Lower frequencies of R1a1 are found among populations of West Asia. Iran appears to have had little genetic influence from the R1a1-carrying Indo-Iranians,[5] attributed to language replacement through the "elite-dominance" model.
 
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jun-2007 at 05:21
This is a nice study. I hope you are happy with your result. I took the Y DNA test around five years ago. My haplogroup is I1b, which is Paleolithic and not as common among us Greeks as the Neolithic haplogroups E3b and J2.  
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jun-2007 at 16:14
Mine was R1b and ther eis no suitablly detailed information on R1b in the ME other than it is a Alan/Sarmatian -> Kurdish/NW Iranian/Armenian thing.
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  Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jun-2007 at 04:59
Does ME there stand for Middle East?
 
R1b is mostly a Western European thing, no?
 
Originally posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R1b

In human genetics, Haplogroup R1b (M343) (previously called Hg1 and Eu18) is the most frequent Y-chromosome haplogroup in Western Europe.

Its frequency is highest in Western Europe, especially in Atlantic Europe (and due to European emigration, in North America[citation needed], South America[citation needed], and Australia). In southern England, the frequency of R1b is about 70%, and in parts of Spain, Portugal, France, Wales. In Ireland, the frequency of R1b is greater than 90%

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  Quote Cent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2007 at 14:42

Interesting!

I would also like to do a genographic study, how does one apply?
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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2007 at 14:42
Originally posted by Zagros

Afghanan, I can say to you that i predicted your result before opening the thread! 
 
 
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How so?


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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2007 at 14:54
Originally posted by Cent

Interesting!

I would also like to do a genographic study, how does one apply?
 
 
 
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2007 at 17:08

Well I had a feeling it would be based on what I have seen on pashtun genetics.

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Originally posted by Afghanan

Originally posted by Cent

Interesting!

I would also like to do a genographic study, how does one apply?
 
 
 
 
Dienekes posted an interesting study on your haplogroup, R1a1. Ancient South Siberian DNA was analyzed, and this haplogroup was found, showing evidence of Caucasoid presence in the region many years ago.
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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2007 at 19:54

Can you find a link for it?

It's interesting how versatile my Haplogroup is.  It also makes the world much smaller now. 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Jun-2007 at 09:40
Originally posted by Afghanan

Can you find a link for it?

It's interesting how versatile my Haplogroup is.  It also makes the world much smaller now. 
 


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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jun-2007 at 00:18

Thanks Dinakos,

I was reading through some of the different articles I uncovered about the Siberian mummies and I came upon an article that tagged all the different STR's from different grave sites.

They had these codes on them that I dont understand fully.  I know that they signify the amount of mutations, but when I looked at the study from Siberia, I found many of the same mutations in those mummys in my own report.

Does that simply mean that they signify the pattern of R1a1?

This is the article I read:
 
 
Look at page 8.  Lots of those "DYS" are very similar, if not exactly like mine.  Granted they are not from the same people , but almost all of my STR's match or come very close to these.
 
Here is my STR profile:
 

Type: Y-Chromosome
Haplogroup: R1a1 (M17)



Edited by Afghanan - 08-Jun-2007 at 00:25
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  Quote Traveller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jun-2007 at 01:59
Originally posted by Afghanan

I recently contributed to the Genographic Project sponsored by the Wyatt Family Foundation, IBM, and The National Geographic Society, and my results are listed below:
 
Heres a few quotes from the study:
 
My Haplogroup R1a1 M17: 
Fast Facts

Time of Emergence: 10,000 to 15,000 years ago

Place of Birth: Ukraine or southern Russia

Climate: Glaciers are retreating

Estimated Number of Homo sapiens: A few million

Tools and Skills: Possibly the first people to domesticate the horse

More info on my Haplogroup:

Today a large concentrationaround 40 percentof the men living in the Czech Republic across the steppes to Siberia, and south throughout Central Asia are members of haplogroup R1a1. In India, around 35 percent of the men in Hindi-speaking populations belong to this group. The M17 marker is found in only five to ten percent of Middle Eastern men. The marker is also found in relatively high frequencyaround 35 percentamong men living on the eastern side of present-day Iran.

Are we sure this haplogroup originated in  Ukraine or southern Russia 10 to 15 thousand years ago?
 
One average estimate for the origin of this line in India is as much as 51,000 years. All this suggests that M17 could have found his way initially from India or Pakistan, through Kashmir, then via Central Asia and Russia, before finally coming into Europe".
 
 For those who chose to criticize my statements, you will have to realize that you are stuck in the late 1990s where it was simply a given that M17 emerged in the Ukraine. This pillar is crumbling under the weight of solid evidence to the contrary.
 
 
PS:Why is the font size of my post so small?


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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jun-2007 at 21:43
Traveller,
 
That doesnt make any sense.  If M17's oldest ancestor (M168) left Africa at 45,000 yrs ago, how could M17 be older than its own ancestor?
 
 
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Afghanan,
 
The usual estimate for leaving Africa is 70-50 K.
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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jun-2007 at 15:04
That still doesnt explain how M17 can be older than it's own predecessors M89, or M9, or others for that matter.
 
 
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  Quote Traveller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Jun-2007 at 08:01
That must mean that either it's not true or that they're older than it.
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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jun-2007 at 00:15
So the scientists around the world who have come up with the ages of these haplogroups are wrong because you or Oppenheimer say so? 
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  Quote Traveller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jul-2007 at 22:58
What scientists? Cite some sources. Scientists themselves contradict each other in their dates.
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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 13:49
You didnt mention your research's scientists either BTW.  For the study of Haplogroups that are related to my own (M17) and other Eurasian haplogroups, there are many scientists, you can find the entire list here:
 
 
I have also provided you with a list of some of the more modern researchers who agree with these accounts, some of them as you will notice were related in the project of studying Eurasian haplogroups:
 
R. Spencer Wells (Genographic Project) Nadira Yuldasheva, Ruslan Ruzibakiev, Peter A. Underhill, Irina Evseeva, Jason Blue-Smith, Li Jin, Bing Su, Ramasamy Pitchappan, Sadagopal Shanmugalakshmi, Karuppiah Balakrishnan, Mark Read, Nathaniel M. Pearson, Tatiana Zerjal, Matthew T. Webster, Irakli Zholoshvili, Elena Jamarjashvili, Spartak Gambarov, Behrouz Nikbin, Ashur Dostiev, Ogonazar Aknazarov, Pierre Zalloua, Igor Tsoy, Mikhail Kitaev, Mirsaid Mirrakhimov, Ashir Chariev, and Walter F. Bodmer
 
Some of the different organizations, schools, and laboroties involved are:

Imperial Cancer Research Fund Cancer and Immunogenetics Laboratory and Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics, University of Oxford, Headington OX3 9DS, United Kingdom

Institute of Immunology, Academy of Sciences, Tashkent, Uzbekistan  
 
Department of Genetics, Stanford University School of Medicine, Stanford, CA 94305 
 
Department of Medical Genetics, Archangelsk State Medical Academy, Archangelsk, Russia 
 
Department of Human Genetics, School of Public Health, University of Texas, Houston, TX 77030 
 
Centre for Advanced Studies in Functional Genomics, School of Biological Sciences, Madurai Kamaraj University, Madurai, India  
 
Department of Ecology and Evolution, University of Chicago, Chicago, IL 60637
 
Department of Biochemistry, University of Oxford, Oxford OX3 1QU, United Kingdom  
 
Institute of Molecular Medicine, University of Oxford, Headington OX3 9DS, United Kingdom 
 
Department of Pediatrics, State Medical Institute, Tbilisi, Georgia  
 
Immunology Laboratory, Mikaelin Surgical Institute, Yerevan, Armenia 
 
Department of Immunology, University of Medical Sciences, Tehran 14496, Iran
 
Tajik State Medical Institute, Dushanbe, Tajikistan;  Pamir Biological Laboratory, Khorog, Tajikistan
 
Genetics Research Laboratory, Chronic Care Center, Hazmieh, Lebanon 
 
Institute of Nutrition, Almaty, Kazakstan
 
Institute of Cardiology, Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan
 
State Medical Institute, Ashgabad, Turkmenistan
 
- You can find their research results in my initial postings or you can click to read the full article here:
 
 
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