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Proto – Altaic: mangga
English: big; strong

Proto – Japanese: manki (big)
Old Japanese:
Modern Japanese: magi, mai

Proto – Turkic:
Old Turkic: mang-al (success, luck)
Modern Turkic:

Notes: The Turkic word appeared in old Oghuz and Uighur languages.     
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Proto – Altaic: aya
English: to go, to walk

Proto – Japanese: ayum (to walk)
Old Japanese: ayum
Modern Japanese: ayum

Proto – Turkic: ay (1- to rotate 2- to lead 3- to speed up 4- to drive)
Old Turkic:
Modern Turkic: ayla, aylan, ayn-it, ayda, aygi-s-in, aynal

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Proto – Altaic: bedu
English: thick, large

Proto – Japanese: putua (1-thick 2-big)
Old Japanese: putwo
Modern Japanese: futo

Proto – Turkic: bed-k (1- big 2- high)
Old Turkic: bedk
Modern Turkic: beyik, bezik, byk, byk, mzk, pzik, biyik, bidik, bdk, bedik, beyek, miyik, buk

Notes: Proto - Turkic ‘bed-k’ 'big, high' is derived from ‘bed-‘ 'to become bigger, grow'.
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Proto – Altaic: chalo
English: full; to fill

Proto – Japanese: tar (be sufficient, full)
Old Japanese: tar
Modern Japanese: tari

Proto – Turkic: tol (full)
Old Turkic: tolu
Modern Turkic: tolu, dolu, toli, doli, tuli, tula, tola, tol-gan, tolo, tuol, toloru

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Proto – Altaic: biore
English: give; take, collect

Proto – Japanese: piri-p
Old Japanese: pyirip
Modern Japanese: hiro

Proto – Turkic: ber (to give)
Old Turkic: ber
Modern Turkic: ber, per, ver, bir, pir, par, bier

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Proto – Altaic: peta
English: mean; skin

Proto – Japanese: panta
Old Japanese: pada
Modern Japanese: hada

Proto – Turkic: et (meat)
Old Turkic: et
Modern Turkic: et, it, t, yet, aht

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Proto – Altaic: enga(k)
English: chin, jaw

Proto – Japanese: ank
Old Japanese: agyi, agyitopyi
Modern Japanese: ago, agito

Proto – Turkic: eng
Old Turkic:
Modern Turkic: engek, iyek, ingek, ek, ana, ing,

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Proto – Altaic: tega
English: high; top, mountain

Proto – Japanese: taka
Old Japanese: taka, take
Modern Japanese: taka, take

Proto – Turkic: tag (mountain)
Old Turkic: tag
Modern Turkic: tag, dag, taw, tu, tia, to, da

Notes: Turkic may have merged two originally different roots (‘dag’ & ‘yeg’) which would explain an abnormal correspondence of Turkic long vowel to Proto - Japanese low tone.
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Proto – Altaic: ma
English: a negative particle

Proto – Japanese: ma (dubitative suffix)
Old Japanese: ma
Modern Japanese: ma-i

Proto – Turkic: ma (not)
Old Turkic: ma
Modern Turkic: ma

Notes: A monosyllabic root, but, unlike the 1st person pronoun or the accusative particle, it did not undergo denasalization in Proto - Altaic
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Proto – Altaic: kiuru
English: red, reddish; brown; dark (color)

Proto – Japanese: kura
Old Japanese: kura
Modern Japanese: kura

Proto – Turkic: kir (to redden)
Old Turkic: qiz-il (red)
Modern Turkic: qizil, qirli, kihil

Notes: It is interesting to note metal names derived from this root: Turkic ‘kɨrɨl 'gold' = Mongolian ‘krel’ 'bronze' = Korean ‘kuri’ 'copper'. Proto - Turkic ‘kir’ 'grey' should be distinguished.

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Proto – Altaic: kiuyke
English: root, stem

Proto – Japanese: kuku-i
Old Japanese: kuki
Modern Japanese: kuki

Proto – Turkic: kk
Old Turkic:
Modern Turkic: kk

Notes: The stem ‘kuku-‘ is also found in some Old Japanese compounds.
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Proto – Altaic: teri
English: surface, skin; color

Proto – Japanese: diri
Old Japanese: iro
Modern Japanese: iro

Proto – Turkic: teri (skin)
Old Turkic: teri
Modern Turkic: teri, deri, tire, tere, ciry

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Proto – Altaic: pioke
English: pair; couple

Proto – Japanese: pika (other)
Old Japanese: p(w)oka
Modern Japanese: foka, hoka

Proto – Turkic: eki (two)
Old Turkic: eki
Modern Turkic: iki, ike, eke, shigi, iyi, ixi, eki, ishki

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Proto – Altaic: dore
English: to go, walk, approach

Proto – Japanese: dir (approach)
Old Japanese: yor
Modern Japanese: yor

Proto – Turkic: yori / yri (to walk)
Old Turkic: yori, yri
Modern Turkic: yri, yr, yur, zhur, yr, chr, dor, sre, sirit, hirit

Notes: An archaic opposition of two roots (with ‘d-‘ and ‘j-‘) cannot be excluded: besides a peculiar variation ‘yori-/ yri-‘ in Proto - Turkic note also the tonal mismatch between Proto - Turkic ‘dur-‘ and Proto – Japanese ‘dir-‘.

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Proto – Altaic: temo, tema
English: root; strength, soul

Proto – Japanese: tama (soul)
Old Japanese: tama
Modern Japanese: tamashi

Proto – Turkic: tamor (1 vein, artery 2 root)
Old Turkic: tamar, tamir
Modern Turkic: tamar, tamir, tamur, damar, timar, timir, damir,

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Proto – Altaic: singu
English: bone; shin bone

Proto – Japanese: sunai (1 shin 2 marrow)
Old Japanese: sune
Modern Japanese: sune

Proto – Turkic: singk, singok (bone)
Old Turkic: sngk, sngk
Modern Turkic: sngk, sngek, syek, syek, smk, simik

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Proto – Altaic: kopi
English: be complete, all

Proto – Japanese: kupa-pa (add)
Old Japanese: kupapa
Modern Japanese: kuwae

Proto – Turkic: kp (many)
Old Turkic: kp
Modern Turkic: kp, kp

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Proto – Altaic: ngungu, nungu
English: wool

Proto – Japanese: nunua (fabric, cloth)
Old Japanese: nun(w)o, ninwo
Modern Japanese: nuno

Proto – Turkic: yung (1 wool 2 small feathers 3 feather)
Old Turkic: yung
Modern Turkic: yng, yung, nung, sung, chung

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Proto – Altaic: ot, ote
English: sound

Proto – Japanese: iti (sound)
Old Japanese: oto
Modern Japanese: oto

Proto – Turkic: t- (1 to sing (of birds) 2 to say 3 to ask, request)
Old Turkic: t, t-n
Modern Turkic: t, tn, ten

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Proto – Altaic: kionga
English: nose

Proto – Japanese: kan-k (to smell)
Old Japanese: kag
Modern Japanese: kag

Proto – Turkic: k(i)ang-ir (1 nose 2 to snuffle)
Old Turkic:
Modern Turkic: qangri-q, qang-sh-ir-aw-uq, qonguru, qongursu

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