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    Posted: 12-May-2007 at 16:04
Historical revisionism is the attempt to change commonly held ideas about the past. In its legitimate form (see historical revisionism) it is the reexamination of historical facts, with an eye towards updating historical narratives with newly discovered, more accurate, or less biased information, acknowledging that history of an event, as it has been traditionally told, may not be entirely accurate.

Historical revisionism / negationism is a common Historical method that raised from 19th cent and prominence in our days

Historical revisionism can be used as a label to describe the views of self-taught historians who publish articles that deliberately misrepresent and manipulate historical evidence. This usage has occurred because some authors who publish articles that deliberately misrepresent and manipulate historical evidence (such as David Irving, a proponent of Holocaust denial), have called themselves "historical revisionists.

Examples of Historical Revisionism in Balkans are the Macedonism, Anatolianism and Albanianism.

I will stay in Macedonism as Greek Macedonian

MACEDONISM is the political idea prevalent in the FYROM advocates revising history in order to project an ethnic group that formed in the 20th century - ethnic Macedonians - in the context of the 19th century and even in the middle ages. For example, Bulgarian Tsar Samuil is denied the Bulgarian nature of his kingdom, despite overwhelming evidence supporting it, and is defined as a "Slavic" or "Macedonian" king. Further attempts are made to deny the Hellenic nature of the ancient kingdom of Macedon and to seek connections between present day ethnic Macedonians and the Ancient Macedonians.

Fundamentally, history knows that the "Macedonianism" of Vardar Province's slavophone inhabitants and Albanians is exclusively based on the role played by external factors of paramount importance when in the early 1940s they were transformed into "Macedonians" for political reasons by communist dictators (Tito, Stalin, and Dimitrov) and infamous communist organizations (Comintern and the Balkan Communist Federation).'"

In reality, it was not even a self-ascription or ascription by others and assignment of a cause, but a dictatorial order, a forceful conversion that preceded the FYROM Slavs' self-ascription as "Macedonians," resulting in an unorthodox and scandalous creation of a new artificial ethnicity in a manner similar to Byelorussia's formation by Lenin and Stalin.

As Danforth pointed out,

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"Given the common nationalist view of the immutability of identity, conversion from one identity to another [by ascription by others] is bound to raise serious questions of authenticity and legitimacy (p. 100)


He also pointed out that

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"It is possible precisely because Greeks and Macedonians are not born, they are made. National identities, in other words, are not biologically given, they are socially constructed" (p. 87).



That is what happened to the Slavs of the FYROM. They were not born ethnic Macedonians, their Macedonian ethnicity was constructed by the state in 1943-1945.

What characteristics (historical, cultural, genetic, linguistic, or anthropological) does the FYROM population possess- besides inhabiting a section of the former Vardar Province - to be described by communists first, by anthropologists later, as "Macedonian"?

Why did the Slav "Macedonians" describe themselves as Bulgarians from 1870 to 1943 -and many do so today - waiting for almost seventy-five years to be transformed into "Macedonians" by the dictatorial powers of a communist state.

We have hear from the FYROMacedonians many options regarding theirs history. Actually theirs history is under Construction according a very clever graphic that created a diaspora Greek ling time ago. Theirs artificial history are made or support (some times involuntary) from a small number of historians but with a strong influence because the big financial (e.g. Soros) and political (e.g. US Administration) support for several reasons.

Historical revisionism from the FYROMacedonians or better the Macedonists (like Stefou, Borza, Baddian e.t.c.) is the exercise whereby historians revise their opinions on historical events in the face of new evidence. It is an essential part of the history writing process. Revisionism(with quotes) is a distortion of history practiced by persons, usually inspired by anti-hellenism or a desire to rehabilitate the Nationalism (any kind), or both. The more accurate description of "revisionists", is "deniers". They describe themselves as revisionists because they think it gives them an air of respectability.

History (according Standard Dictionary of the English Language) is the recorded narrative of past events, especially those concerning a particular period, nation, individual, etc. It recounts events with careful attention to their importance, their mutual relations, their causes and consequences, selecting and grouping events on the ground of their interest or importance. It can be seen from this that history acknowledges the existence of events and facts and seeks to understand how they came about, what they resulted in, how they are interconnected and what they mean.

The distinctions need to be made among facts, analysis and interpretation.
Facts are demonstrably empirical events whose occurrence can be proven using evidentiary methods.
Analysis is the method of determining or describing the nature of a thing by resolving it into its parts.
Interpretation is the attempt to give the meaning of something. It follows that facts lead to analysis which leads to interpretation. And it follows that each step in the process is more subjective than the preceding step.
In this context history is innductive in its methodology, in that it accumulates the facts tries to determine their nature and their connectivities and then attempts to weave them into an understandable and meaningful mosaic.

FYROMacedonian Revisionists depart from the conclusion that the Macedonians were not Greeks, did not occur and work backwards through the facts to adapt them to that preordained conclusion. Put another way they reverse the proper methodology described above thus turning the proper historical method of investigation and analysis on its head. That is not to say that historians never depart from a preconceived or desired resultthey often do. But in adhering rigorously to the correct methodology they accept that the result of their investigation may not be what they envisaged at the beginning. They are prepared to adapt their theories to that reality.

Indeed, they are often required to revise their conclusions based on the facts. To put it tritely, "revisionists" revise the facts based on their conclusion.

Why they do this is not the subject of this piece, but a few examples of the distortions, evasions and denials that it forces on them will illustrate how intellectually dishonest it is. And it should be remembered that they are forced on them, since FYROMacedonians (and not only) revisionists are denying a historical occurrence, then distorting the facts into accord with that denial.

I am curious what will be your next Historical Revensionist Finding ?

 



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Very interesting but i do not see the connection between Amateur Historian revisionism, like that of David Irving and Nationalist manipulation of Eastern European Historians. I think they are completely different and have rather different motives and motivations.

The fact is, go to any nation in South Eastern Europe, especially newer nations, and they working backward to find some way to form an 'identity' in history. The worst problem is that in many of these nations Western Historians are actually denied access to the main archives - meaning there is no real ability for a true academic discussion or breakdown about the history. There is no ability to open the debate on sources, if many academics can't even gain access, heh. But I'm sure it will start to improve.

 
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Historical revisionism can be used as a label to describe the views of self-taught historians who publish articles that deliberately misrepresent and manipulate historical evidence. This usage has occurred because some authors who publish articles that deliberately misrepresent and manipulate historical evidence (such as David Irning, a proponent of Holocaust Denial), have called themselves "historical revisionists".Revisionist history is also used to promote or slander persons, or promote or discredit an idea for example, bringing evidence that Alexander was homosexual. (Actually only Greek reacted in this part of the revensionism when the FYROMacedonians make silence.)

Seferis quoted "By erasing a part of the History past ,then will erase and a part of the History future"


Slavonic Macedonians Revensionists wanted in other words, to fabricate a nation. Maria Nystazopoulou Plekidou give the best desciption and aim of the FYROMacedonian Historical Revensionism.The means that they used were the following:

1.Separate state organization:
All the local state organizations which were created, with Skopje as the centre, within the framework of the federal government of Yugoslavia, were called "Macedonian": "Macedonian government", "Macedonian Parliament", etc. Thus this term acquired a new political and state dimension, which in the course of time became established.

2. Separate language:
The Yugoslav Constitution recognized a local dialect as the official language; it was called "Macedonian" and was considered equal to the Serbo-Croatian and the Slovenian languages. This "Macedonian" dialect, which until then had only been considered a dialect of the Bulgarian language, "was purged" of lingustic elements which might create disputes in the future, became the official language of the reagion, and has been taught in schools ever since. Thus the children started using it and became accustomed to it, whichever language or dialect they used at home. In this way the new postwar generation of the region acquired a new linguistic instrument which was imposed "from above", by state will and for political reasons.

3. Independent Church:
Despite the fact that communist ideology does not accept religion, religious sentiment was deeply rooted in the inhabitants of the region and the Church was closely related to their historical traditions. It is for this reason that the "Autocephalous Macedonian Church" was founded in 1964, after communist party intervention, with Ochrid as its seat, despite the strong reactions of the Serbian Patriarchate. This emancipation was a blatant violation of the canon law of the Orthodox Church and was effected in order to reinforce the autonomy of "Macedonia" vis-a-vis Serbia - as autonomy which was expressed by the slogan "One State, one Church, one Nation".

4. Separate nationality:
In order that their political existence could be consolidated and their general political aims strengthened, it was essential that the population of the region became consious of Macedonia as a separate nation. For this reason they attempted to create and propagate a "Macedonian" national cosniousness amongst the inhabitants of Southern Yugoslavia. In this endeavour it was essential to project a separate historical past, to "fabricate" a "Macedonian" history. Historians were mobilized and an "Institute of National History" was founded in Skopje. It was instantly staffed by many scholars who started conducting extensive research in libraries and archives, gathering a huge amount of material and publishing books, reviews and journals at an impressive rate.

By means of their studies and publications they attemped to reconstruct and re-interpret historical data in order to fulfil their objectives.

Their first aim was to cut off every link between the so-called "Macedonians" and the Bulgarians, as a well as the Serbs, and to convince the people that they belonged to a separate Slavic nation, the "Macedonian" one. Therefore the history of the region, as well as the language, had to be "purged" of all Bulgarian and Serbian elements. All Bulgarian and Serbian historical data connected to that region - historical events, people, activities and intellectual work - were renamed "Macedonian", so that they could be incorporated into the new "Macedonian" history which was then being written, or, if they did not fit into the new historical frame work and guidelines, they were denounced as hostile.

The second aim was to eliminate Greek character of Macedonia and Macedonian history; and this would be achieved by minimizing the Greek presence in this region and misinterpreting or falsifying their role, specifically the cultural and intellectual contribution of Hellenism, the orthodox Greek clergy and Greek schools.

The third aim was to search for, fabricate and project the historical development of the so-called "Macedonian people", so as to prove the separate national identity of the "Macedonians", as well as their cohesion and continuity from ancient times until today. It should be noted that this attempt was the reverse of normal methods: that is, they studied modern history first and turned to the study of Antiquity later.

The fourth aim was to create a Great Idea, which would bring awareness to the masses. So the historians of Skopje started declaring that Macedonia, as a whole, was a Slavic country both in its historical tradition and its ethnic composition. For this reason, it had to be united and form a unified state. After World War II, only the Yugoslavian part was re-established nationally within the framework of the Yugoslav Federation. The other two parts, Aegean Macedonia and Pirin Macedonia would have to be restored, i.e., to be united with Yugoslav Macedonia.

Revisionist history consists in the art of discerning fraud and the courage to publicly strip illusion, even when the whole world is clamoring violently for it and the FYROMacedonians with theirs Supporters as quoted in my previous post make theirs work very well.



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Examples of Historical Revisionism in Balkans are the Macedonism, Anatolianism and Albanianism.

Can you elaborate more on Albanian revisionism?

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Originally posted by Arbr Z

 
Can you elaborate more on Albanian revisionism?
 
Antonio Bellusci, an Albanian unitarian priest from Franscineto of S. Italy has been publishing since 1980 a newspaper (leaflet according to Giochalas) titled Lidhja-Unione. Since several Albanian researchers have expressed some flattering comments on his efforts, diligent Titos P. Giochalas felt the need to publish in 1988 a book which would refute Bellusci's claims, who although an Italo-Albanian and of course an Albanist, has superficial knowledge of Albanian.

Giochanas writes:
In no other scientific fied has such outrageous nonesense been writen, as that which Bellusci has written about Arvanitic.

His mistakes and misunderstandings are tragi-comic since though his ignorance of Albanian and misunderstanding of Arvanitic or Greek  he manages to invent the Albanian-speaking island "Hijo" (=Chios) in the Argolid Gulf, by "misunderstanding" the word "hje" (=shade) in the text, he comprehends that the Greek word "orekto" (=mineral) is an Albanian-speaking village in Euboia titled "Recto".... in order to invent yet another, of course! Albanian-speaking village, this time in East Attica [without understanding that the word in the text is the Greek "kakomoiris" (=poor/unlucky)].
With such an undoubtably magnificent contribution, how was it possible not to receive the flattering comments by his fellow Albanian researchers, because Bellusci, as he claims, wrote the "Geography of Albanian villages in Greece"

Titos P. Giochalas: "Albanology and ammaturism, restoration of Arvanitic texts, Athens 1988, p.9

Bellusci's ignorance is beyond stunning and leads him to write in contrast to what he is told. An Arvanite tells him that he makes his cheese with a "tyroboli" and he writes Hjirovol-i (=cheirovoli) and defines as "small bucket made of weed/moss in which they place cheese" (p.49-50) when its a well known fact that the "cheirovoli" is a "sheaf"


Monk Michail: "Vergina and Albanian" Armos Publications 1999, p. 162-163 writes:

A young lad that was studying philosophy at the University of Korutsa, talked to me about a magnificent book that one of his teachers had written and was highly advertised by the previous (Albanian) government.

This "great" book explained:

King Pyrrhus took his army, the brave .... Albanians(of course the Albanians where non-existant during Pyrrhus' era) and descended to fight the Hellenes. The Hellenes gathered at a narrow passage to defend themselves. Once the Albanians arrived,Pyrrhus deployed his troops. It was then when one of his "comrades" called out to him:

"there more Pyle" which means "kill them Pyle" (there=kill/butcher, Pyle= Pyrrhus).. The Hellenes that heard the Albanian calling the phrase "there more Pyle", decided to name the region "Thermopyle"Wink

Futher down monk Michail mentions that even the name Athena according to these Albanian "specialists" is...Albanian!!

Here's how this corruption appeared:

"The Hellenes were thinking about calling the region "Krania" (=cornel) untill an Albanian came down and explained to the Hellenes: "the "krana" in our language is "thana"
Since then the Hellenes started saying "thana"-"thana" and thats how the region was named "Athena"


and finally the great example of the Albanianism is  Edwin E. Jacques and his book "The Albanians: An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present" ,
 
On another occasion when Alexander sent a Greek general, Philotas, to be tried before a military court he asked Philotas to speak in Macedonian so that his judges who were Macedonians might understand him. But the general refused, saying" i shall speak in Greek, because i want to be understood by my own countrymen"
page 91

This quote is a typical proof the late Edwin E. Jacques  is totally unrelated to ancient history. Its the first time someone claims Philotas and Alexander were of different..ethnicities. He beats even FYROMacedonist pseudo-historian to that.

In another quote the mighty revisionist and current idol of Albanian nationalists around the globe, writes:

Apparently most of the leadership and most of the soldiery involved in this Asian expedition were Pelasgian of Albanian; certainly they were Macedonians, not Greeks

I hope Arber to cover you because Albanianism is  not spread world-wide as is Macedonism and Anatolianism but is considerable among Albanians.Except if you are of those that really beleive that you are Pelasgian, Achille-Alexander-Pyrrhos were Albanians e.t.c.

 




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Originally posted by Arbr Z

 
Can you elaborate more on Albanian revisionism?
 
Antonio Bellusci, an Albanian unitarian priest from Franscineto of S. Italy has been publishing since 1980 a newspaper (leaflet according to Giochalas) titled Lidhja-Unione. Since several Albanian researchers have expressed some flattering comments on his efforts, diligent Titos P. Giochalas felt the need to publish in 1988 a book which would refute Bellusci's claims, who although an Italo-Albanian and of course an Albanist, has superficial knowledge of Albanian.

Giochanas writes:
In no other scientific fied has such outrageous nonesense been writen, as that which Bellusci has written about Arvanitic.

His mistakes and misunderstandings are tragi-comic since though his ignorance of Albanian and misunderstanding of Arvanitic or Greek  he manages to invent the Albanian-speaking island "Hijo" (=Chios) in the Argolid Gulf, by "misunderstanding" the word "hje" (=shade) in the text, he comprehends that the Greek word "orekto" (=mineral) is an Albanian-speaking village in Euboia titled "Recto".... in order to invent yet another, of course! Albanian-speaking village, this time in East Attica [without understanding that the word in the text is the Greek "kakomoiris" (=poor/unlucky)].
With such an undoubtably magnificent contribution, how was it possible not to receive the flattering comments by his fellow Albanian researchers, because Bellusci, as he claims, wrote the "Geography of Albanian villages in Greece"

Titos P. Giochalas: "Albanology and ammaturism, restoration of Arvanitic texts, Athens 1988, p.9

Bellusci's ignorance is beyond stunning and leads him to write in contrast to what he is told. An Arvanite tells him that he makes his cheese with a "tyroboli" and he writes Hjirovol-i (=cheirovoli) and defines as "small bucket made of weed/moss in which they place cheese" (p.49-50) when its a well known fact that the "cheirovoli" is a "sheaf"


Monk Michail: "Vergina and Albanian" Armos Publications 1999, p. 162-163 writes:

A young lad that was studying philosophy at the University of Korutsa, talked to me about a magnificent book that one of his teachers had written and was highly advertised by the previous (Albanian) government.

This "great" book explained:

King Pyrrhus took his army, the brave .... Albanians(of course the Albanians where non-existant during Pyrrhus' era) and descended to fight the Hellenes. The Hellenes gathered at a narrow passage to defend themselves. Once the Albanians arrived,Pyrrhus deployed his troops. It was then when one of his "comrades" called out to him:

"there more Pyle" which means "kill them Pyle" (there=kill/butcher, Pyle= Pyrrhus).. The Hellenes that heard the Albanian calling the phrase "there more Pyle", decided to name the region "Thermopyle"Wink

Futher down monk Michail mentions that even the name Athena according to these Albanian "specialists" is...Albanian!!

Here's how this corruption appeared:

"The Hellenes were thinking about calling the region "Krania" (=cornel) untill an Albanian came down and explained to the Hellenes: "the "krana" in our language is "thana"
Since then the Hellenes started saying "thana"-"thana" and thats how the region was named "Athena"


and finally the great example of the Albanianism is  Edwin E. Jacques and his book "The Albanians: An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present" ,
 
On another occasion when Alexander sent a Greek general, Philotas, to be tried before a military court he asked Philotas to speak in Macedonian so that his judges who were Macedonians might understand him. But the general refused, saying" i shall speak in Greek, because i want to be understood by my own countrymen"
page 91

This quote is a typical proof the late Edwin E. Jacques  is totally unrelated to ancient history. Its the first time someone claims Philotas and Alexander were of different..ethnicities. He beats even FYROMacedonist pseudo-historian to that.

In another quote the mighty revisionist and current idol of Albanian nationalists around the globe, writes:

Apparently most of the leadership and most of the soldiery involved in this Asian expedition were Pelasgian of Albanian; certainly they were Macedonians, not Greeks

I hope Arber to cover you because Albanianism is  not spread world-wide as is Macedonism and Anatolianism but is considerable among Albanians.Except if you are of those that really beleive that you are Pelasgian, Achille-Alexander-Pyrrhos were Albanians e.t.c.

 






Akritas, Bellusci, an italo-albanian was a collaborator of Aristides Collias, and Kostas Biris, two leaders of the Arvanites League of Greece. Check what they say regarding the issues you mentioned.

Regarding Albanian Revisionism, can you bring me any official resources published by the Albanian Academy of Sciences?

Do you want me to talk about Megali Idea, panhellenism, or Greek revisionism? You quoted some authors, who bring their (and only their opinion, not an official one), and I can quote here many Greek, or Grecophile authors that claim weird things. Anyway, don't want to start this discussion, I just wanted to point out that you shouldn't stress albanian revisionism, in a region (the balkans) where people from every nation tries to build new myths, or to corrupt old ones, in order to negate their past, or the history of the others.
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Akritas, Bellusci, an italo-albanian was a collaborator of Aristides Collias, and Kostas Biris, two leaders of the Arvanites League of Greece. Check what they say regarding the issues you mentioned.


Do you want me to talk about Megali Idea, panhellenism, or Greek revisionism? You quoted some authors, who bring their (and only their opinion, not an official one), and I can quote here many Greek, or Grecophile authors that claim weird things. Anyway, don't want to start this discussion, I just wanted to point out that you shouldn't stress albanian revisionism, in a region (the balkans) where people from every nation tries to build new myths, or to corrupt old ones, in order to negate their past, or the history of the others.
Bring anything that you want regarding the Greek revensionism. But with facts and evidence as I done in Macedonism and Albanianism.
Originally posted by Arbr Z


Regarding Albanian Revisionism, can you bring me any official resources published by the Albanian Academy of Sciences?
 
Is not only the academaics but and the Albanian official sites  like the Albanian Ministry of Foreign Affairs
 
 
The Greek geographer, Ptholemeous, has witnessed the existence of Albanians and Albanian language in the second century AD.
 
Where ?
 
Albanians are the direct successors of the Illyrians
 
?????
 


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Ptolemeus mentions the Illyrian tribe of the Albani, and their principal city, Albanopolis, and yes, it was II cent.AD.
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Ptolemeus mentions the Illyrian tribe of the Albani, and their principal city, Albanopolis, and yes, it was II cent.AD.
..and not the Albanians or the Albanian language as your Ministry of Foreign Affairs official quoted.
This call Historical Revisionism and came officially from your State
 
I will be glad to show me a similar example that came from a Greek official source.
 
 
 
 


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http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/hellenicObservatory/pdf/symposiumPapersonline/LSE-published%20paper.pdf

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/3494/nationalism.html
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Did you expect a full greek - albanian dictionary from ptolemeus?
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Originally posted by Arbr Z

http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/hellenicObservatory/pdf/symposiumPapersonline/LSE-published%20paper.pdf

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/3494/nationalism.html
The essay of a Greek professor and geocity www are the official examples of the Greek Revesnionism ?
 
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Originally posted by akritas

Originally posted by Arbr Z

http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/hellenicObservatory/pdf/symposiumPapersonline/LSE-published%20paper.pdf

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/3494/nationalism.html
The essay of a Greek professor and geocity www are the official examples of the Greek Revesnionism ?
 
you are trolling!!!


You are quick in reading, arent you, empress?
Read that essay!
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Originally posted by Arbr Z

Originally posted by akritas

Originally posted by Arbr Z

http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/hellenicObservatory/pdf/symposiumPapersonline/LSE-published%20paper.pdf

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/3494/nationalism.html
The essay of a Greek professor and geocity www are the official examples of the Greek Revesnionism ?
 
you are trolling!!!


You are quick in reading, arent you, empress?
Read that essay!
I know her!!!
.. ..and her modern ideas.


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Originally posted by Arbr Z

Originally posted by akritas

Originally posted by Arbr Z

http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/hellenicObservatory/pdf/symposiumPapersonline/LSE-published%20paper.pdf

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/3494/nationalism.html
The essay of a Greek professor and geocity www are the official examples of the Greek Revesnionism ?
 
you are trolling!!!


You are quick in reading, arent you, empress?
Read that essay!
I know her!!!
.. ..and her modern ideas.


I know her too, and I like her modern ideas, as I do not pretend to be an ancient greek trying to invent and reinvent the myth of Deukalion to justify my autochthonity since forever.
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[as I do not pretend to be an ancient greek trying to invent and reinvent the myth of Deukalion to justify my autochthonity since forever.
...me either!!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-May-2007 at 13:14
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Examples of Historical Revisionism in Balkans are the Macedonism, Anatolianism and Albanianism.
You do realise that, Greece also being a Balkan country, you being a Greek and then purposely pointing fingers at others while acting like butter wouldn't melt in your mouth gives an impression of being a hypocrite and just trying to condemn others marvelling at your superiority...
 
There are Macedonians who feel, Greece also has its fair share of "historical revisionism".
 
Mr Stefov has written about what he feels are "20 Greek lies"
 
 
What is Albanian revisionism?
 
What is Anatolianism? I've never heard the Turkish state claiming that the Lykians or Lydians were Turks LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-May-2007 at 13:37
Above all,

I agree that anatolianism is a revisionist movement but, It can't be an example of revisionism in BALKANS. It also isn't a state policy nor a mainstream ideology.

There're anatolianists in Turkey though, but very thiny minority.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-May-2007 at 13:47
There is a statue of Pyrrhus with Teuta in an albania museum presented both as being albanian.Pyrrhus is Greek Teuta illyrian.Thats propaganda and revisionism in its finest on the albanian side.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-May-2007 at 13:47
Originally posted by Bulldog

 
Mr Stefov has written about what he feels are "20 Greek lies"
 
 
And as Greek Macedonian I have already give the proper answers to the Slav macedonian Revisionist in his lies!!!
 
 
Originally posted by Bulldog

You do realise that, Greece also being a Balkan country, you being a Greek and then purposely pointing fingers at others while acting like butter wouldn't melt in your mouth gives an impression of being a hypocrite and just trying to condemn others marvelling at your superiority...
 
There are Macedonians who feel, Greece also has its fair share of "historical revisionism".
If you have to show me a example of the Greek Revinsionism I would like to see it(them).
Originally posted by Bulldog

What is Anatolianism? I've never heard the Turkish state claiming that the Lykians or Lydians were Turks LOL
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What is Albanian revisionism?
I post some examples.


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