Muslim women fight for women's rights in Italy

It is not surprising. In Helllas/Greece ,in the area of Thrace ,most of the women of the Muslim Minority do not get proper education ,they get married very young and with arranged marriages. I do not say that there are no exceptions, but ,in my opinion ,few.

are still being abused by their husbands

No different to western women then. Domestic violence transceeds conditions.

are still not employed,

To be fair most are probably far too busy with and interested in raised their kids to think about work.

are still not being educated

You expect a 30yr old refugee to go to school as soon as she gets off the boat?

don�t speak the language

Combine the last two answers and you'll understand the reason to this one too. To be honest I have many friends whose mothers don't speak english or who learnt it off their kids. They are from a very diverse group of backgrounds too. I have even more friends who have at least one grandmother in the country that don't speak english. In fact I kind of expect Grandmothers not to be able to speak English.

the wives stay at home and are totally dependent on her husband for support

Without a shadow of a doubt the men are totally dependent on his wife to survive too.

Some of the women don�t legally exist in Italy because their husbands don�t get them residence permits.

Thats just stupid. I suspect it might have something to do with it being eaiser to get residence for single men though? Just a guess.

Shame, shame on the men who keep treating their life-long partners like this

Hold on Hold on. Why is it the mans fault?
Are you telling me that its the mans job to get his wife a job, teach his wife Italin, teach her Nuclear physics, look after the kids, and earn the income? While is is the mans duty to look after the kids and earn the income, the wife has to take responsibilty for the other three herself.

I'm really surprised to see such a sexist attitude coming from you of all people Morty. The position of women is determined by the women themselves, men can't force women to change it.

encouraged to get an education and succeed in life.

Succeed in life? How is getting married and having a family failing?

Originally posted by Sparto In Helllas/Greece ,in the area of Thrace ,most of the women of the Muslim Minority do not get proper education ,they get married very young and with arranged marriages.

I know enough Greeks to know that its not only the muslims of Hellas that do that. (And there is nothing wrong with arranged marriages anyway... At least in the eastern style, the western one was a bit cruel)


Edited by Omar al Hashim - 05-May-2007 at 02:29

The veil is the best example of suppressing a woman's freedom to express herself. She is kept hidden under a veil, usually under the supervision of her husband....which shows perfectly how Islamic women are culturally put down. This goes to show that women do not have the right to express their own opinions, but are completely controlled by men.

Edited by northpakistani - 05-May-2007 at 13:58

Is true of all Muslim women whom migrated to Italy with their husbands?

Originally posted by Omar And there is nothing wrong with arranged marriages anyway... At least in the eastern style, the western one was a bit cruel)

While acknowledging that arranged marriages in Western Civilisation are all but an anomaly these days and you are probably referring to a long discarded Western tradition of arranged marriages, could you outline the difference between the "eastern" and "western" traditions - for lack of better terms.

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Some of the women don�t legally exist in Italy because their husbands don�t get them residence permits. Thats just stupid. I suspect it might have something to do with it being eaiser to get residence for single men though? Just a guess.

This is one of the few question i have a certain answer, and it is no. Gender and marital status are totally immaterial as per our immigration laws.

Originally posted by Constantine While acknowledging that arranged marriages in Western Civilisation are all but an anomaly these days and you are probably referring to a long discarded Western tradition of arranged marriages, could you outline the difference between the "eastern" and "western" traditions - for lack of better terms.

By eastern traditions I mean what is commonly called - but is actually a poor translation - of the common method of finding a partner for peoples from China, India, Morroco, and all inbetween and around including many Italians. They are usually always called arranged marriages but nearly all the time are not at all like what a native english speaker thinks of as an arranged marriage. In the medaeval sterotype of western arranged marraiges the participants, especially the girl, have little say in the marriage and it is entirely arranged and prepared by the families. In what I am calling the eastern tradition, the entire family including both participants, are engaged in finding a partner, and have veto power over that marraige. In other words it is not a matter of only "picking up" the prospecitve partner, but also the parents, grandparents, and siblings before a marriage can take place. However you also have all the relations searching for a partner for you as well, thus the arrangement factor.

Originally posted by Aelfgifu Hm, Omar, I agree that woman do need to take more grip on their lives, and that emancipation is also in their own hands... but to completely deny there is a problem is very unfair on abused and repressed women...

Now I did not actually completely deny there was a problem. In some families there quite well be a problem, however this not a situation that armchair analysts can do any good in. They can however do a great deal of bad. I think discussions like these deserve and require an injection of realism into the situation, and thats what I have attempted to do.

Telde, your lack of grip on real life is astonishing.

I don't know how you are supposed to keep women (actually anyone) subservient anyway.

Amoungst the women of my family subservients is something that needs to be beaten into other people.

You guys give men too much credit.