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    Posted: 26-Apr-2007 at 16:34
The Turkish word hay what does it realy mean?

The Turks use it alot

examples:

Hay!! yes( I did it/it worked) or darn
Hay anasini(hay his mother) meaning: darn, sh*t(said when dissapointed by something)

You also have hay basmak wich can't be realy translated but is something like : making haste(mostly in a negative manner)

and ofcours

Hay hay wich means : ofcourse or right away.

(the Japanese also use hai hai/hay hay but I doubt it's relatedBig%20smile)


So I realy have no clue about the word hay and it's origin.

does any one know?


I know this should be in the linguistics section but couldn't find it LOLConfused
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Originally posted by xi_tujue

I know this should be in the linguistics section but couldn't find it LOLConfused
 
 
 
Its in the Intellectual Discussions sectionTongue
 
and if I remember I'll ask about hay next time I talk to my Turkish friend for you.
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I doubt that a normal person ould know the awnser or he might I don't know
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Hay/Hey is also an Urdu particle meaning is. Urdu hay and Turkish hay might be related since there is a lot shared between those languages.

I'll move this to lingustics for you too.
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I think it might be related to Turkish word "Hadi", since in some Anatolian dialects it changes to "haydi, hayde". I might be wrong, it's just a guess :)
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in Altaic and Uralic languages, there exist some words which only describe moods, without a certain meaning, like 'qay' which is equal to Turkish 'hay':
 
'qay' = shows anger
 
'poy' = shows regret
 
'wo' = shows surprise
 
 


Edited by gok_toruk - 30-Apr-2007 at 14:28
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I think this is one of those universal words. It comes quite natural when you just want to cry out some sudden feelings. In Sweden the word, albeit with a slightly different spelling, can be used for example like this:
 
'Hej' (pronounced 'hay'), "hello"
'Hej! I know'  "Oh, I know [what we can do/where to go etc]"
'Hej!'   "Hey, you there! [getting someone's attention]" 
 


Edited by Styrbiorn - 02-May-2007 at 10:41
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Yeah but in turkish it has nothig to do with it not even close sorry
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1) "Hay" in "Hay a.ina koyim!" or "Hay Allah!"-which is an expression of surprise and confusion.
 
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2) "Hay" in "Hay hay, tabii ki olur." - which means "Sure", "Yes"
 
are totally different two things. "Hay hay" could have a meaning. But "Hay" is just an expression of an emotion, which is rather anger or confusion.
 
And I think "Hay" in english is something like this: "OHHH!! Holy sh*t!"
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Haydiiiii, bak sen şu işe.. (positive supprise?)
 
Haydaa, bak sen şu işe... (Negative supprise)
 
I think, It is suprise word.
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But we can't say "Haydi Allah" or "Hayda Allah", just say "Hay Allah," or "Hay Aksi." So "Haydi" and "Hay" are not interchangeable. Hayda is very similar to "Hay" though. But "Haydi" can be used for totally different purposes.
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Hay is a word that describes an emotion, there are many of these emotion describing words in Turkic like the examples Gok_Toruk gave, they're difficult to translate as they don't really have an equivalent.

 
Gok_Toruk
'poy' = shows regret
 
Turks of Cyprus always say "peh" extended "peeh", when they express regret.


Edited by Bulldog - 02-May-2007 at 20:20
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But you don't know Turkish, right dear Bulldog?
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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

Hay/Hey is also an Urdu particle meaning is. Urdu hay and Turkish hay might be related since there is a lot shared between those languages.

I'll move this to lingustics for you too.


I think that particular Hay is a Hindi borrowing as the third person singular version of Hoon/Ho/Hain. 

The other Hay seems to have multiple uses in Urdu like "Hai Allah" (interjection for surprise/shock or expressing extreme despondence), "Hai Hai" (expresses tone of admiration, often used by the lecherous bollywood villain when looking over the movie's heroineLOL), or sometimes 'Hai' is a noun meaning something like curse or scorn (doing something dishonourable can bring on the "Hai" of the society on one) and lots of demonstration chants denigrating a person or a party are simply "xperson/party/thing-hai hai"


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Originally posted by xi_tujue

Yeah but in turkish it has nothig to do with it not even close sorry
 
You miss the point. Bulldog and Hidden Face also presented it; it's an expression of emotion, and has appeared as such in several different places, meaning that it's quite a 'natural' sound (ie, that's my guess from where it comes from).
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But it should be noted that your examples have nothing to do with Turkish "Hay".
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there is also word "vay" which has same mission with "hay".

for example:

vay anasını!

vay canına! etc.but i think these words has no sense.
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hey Hidden Face! dont tell strangers our secret words "hay a.ına koyayım" Tongue
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hey Hidden Face! dont tell strangers our secret words "hay a.ına koyayım" Tongue
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Originally posted by The Hidden Face

But it should be noted that your examples have nothing to do with Turkish "Hay".
True. They might have been appeared through the same mechanism though (kind of like how most of the world share the "papa" and "mama"s).
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