Originally posted by Phallanx
Please people, let's be serious and mention only TRUE historic FACTS not some imaginary fairy-tales!!!!!
The LAST of the Comnenos dynasty was Andronicos Comninos, lived from 1118-1185 and ruled from 1183-1185.
Now Mehmet the Conqueror lived from 1432-1481, so when he ruled would be irrelevant since there is NO WAY that they could have met!!!!
Note that the emperors during his life time were the Paleologos John VII and Constantine XI. NO Comnenos.
Only Jannissary corps were forming by converted Christians especially between 15th -17th centuries, not the army. |
Just something that has to be added. They were converted by force after being abducted from their Christian families and used against them. A similar tactic used by the Byzantines alot earlier when they used the Vardariots, Pecenek and Kuman Christian Turks against the Crusaders and later against the Seljuks
Oh, yes and about the original topic. No the Ottomans have nothing to do in here. When we say Greek, Roman & Mediterranean Civilizations as anyone can tell we are talking BC not 14th century.
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Comneni Dynasty governed Roman Empire of Trepizond after Latins invaded Constantinople .
Like Safavid Turkish Empire, Ghaznawid Turkish Empire are considered as Iranian Empires (and they are), Ottomans are the Turkish Dynasty of the Roman Empire coming after the Greek Dynasties.
Everybody excepts (including Firdousi) that Ghaznawids are descendants of Sassanids, and Safavids as Iranian Emperors. But people rejects Ottomans from Europe. They consider we stole Constantinople. They think Byzantine Empire was ended in 1453.
But it didn't. If you like it or not, when you conquer a country, you inherit what it has. The depts, the economy, the enemies everything.
Bernard Lewis mentions that the strugles of Romans and Parthians/Sassanids continued with the Ottoman-Safavid struggle. And now Turkey and Iran took the positions.
If you dare to judge Bernard Lewis, I have nothing to say more.
But that is the fact. When Ottomans conquered Eastern Roman Empire, they inherited everything it had. The society, the traditions, the enemies, and most importantly the geostrategical position itself, fighting against 3 fronts (Catholic Europe, Slavic pressure from caucassus and Iran in the east.)
These are not my thoughts, I am an amateur history fan, that' s it. That is why I opposed the Islamic Forum. Many Turkik Dynasties owned Empires belong to other cultures. Safavids, Ghaznawids are Iranian Empires. Ottoman Empire is Roman Empire. What they did was, just continue the business which their predecessor did.