is albanian language the oldest one?

Originally posted by olvios If  you  could establish a relationship with "pelasgian" then albanians would not be illyrian but some north thracian offshoot.Illyrians are invaders not autocthonous and related to gauls and celts and they are not pelasgic.

I can agree on some points. It is believed that the Illyrians migrated in the same time as the Celts. But on the autochthonus side, they must have some Vucedol inside them.

How about the messapic inscription is it illyrian or not?

No we dont  because there is not proof.Illyrians  are not  connected to any of these tribes they came in  at 1000-1300 and they are connected to  Gauls and Celts.And connection  between   albanian and illyrian is not  yet established while between some slavs and vlachs is. 

First you must research  about Celts-Gauls-Illyrians
Then you must research about Albanian  History & Language
If a connection with the above is found you can continue.

But pelasgian is not Illyrian-Celt-Gaul

Also the messapic(illyrian) inscriptions (260 inscriptions dating from the 6th to the 1st century bc) will help alot in defining whether albanian is related to  illyrian or not.

and CEASAR knew that the albanian language was the oldest.....

It has nothing to do with illyrian let alone albanian. Vera means truth in latin."in truth : re vera, vero" and "early spring" ,spring : vera,ver : spring, the production of spring

Latin prma vra, early spring, pl. of prmum vr : Latin prmus, first; see  per1 in Indo-European roots + Latin vr, spring; see  wes in Indo-European roots

Aside from that it was Caesar Octavian who was sent to Apollonia, on the adriatic coast (as it was a Greek colony with illyrians as mere slaves), to attempt to finish his education by Greek tutors. While in Apollonia, Octavian trained with Roman legions stationed there to complement his military skills. Only months after arriving in Apollonia, Octavian learned that Julius Caesar was murdered.

That word you have in albanian is latin and not illyrian.It is a latin loanword.



Edited by olvios - 28-May-2007 at 14:32

Originally posted by Arb�r Z vr etc is an indoeuropean root for spring-summer. it is preserved in albanian, but also in spanish etc. If it is an ie root, than albanian, which is an indoeuropean language, has the same right to claim it, as other languages.

it seems that there is indeed a common indoeuropean root
In Greek there is the word Ear(Εαρ) which means spring and it is similar to the latin word vera.In Old Norse var also means spring.

John Wilkes: "The Illyrians", Oxford Press, 1996:

(1) "..A separate group of Illyrians identified by renowned historian Geza Alfoldy: he identifies 'Pannonian peoples' in Bosnia, northern Montenegro [around Plyevlya and Priyepolye, p.84] and western Serbia [Sanxak]". p.75

(2) "Not much reliance should perhaps be placed on attempts to identify an Illyrian anthropological type as short and dark-skinned similar to moderAlbanians." p.219

(3) "In sum, the destructive impact [of Bosnia-centred theory] on the earlier generalizations regarding Illyrians should be regarded as a step forward." p.40

He also states in page 357 that albanian positions on the matter are unreliable and unbased and that the romanoi-vlachs of the area were illyrians that were forced to migrate more to the south.He constantly declares that any albanian illyrian claims are politicaly driven and have no basis or proof.

I dont believe in races as well.);

Originally posted by erton even the famous(olimpic) word maraton derives from albanian language. It derives from the first word mara=(take/took in albanian) and the other part tone=(they say in albanian).   So maraton means "i take smth".........and really in the olimpic games of antic times it was a honor to partecipate and as well to take prizes.