is albanian language the oldest one?

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Posted: 02-Jun-2007 at 10:30

Can somebody close this stupid thread? Albanian is not the oldest language!

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Posted: 02-Jun-2007 at 09:10

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Posted: 02-Jun-2007 at 06:55

first Orik wasnt at all a greek city,his habbitants were Amantians,an illyrian tribe.

But we should know that also Rome and Romans were more related with illyria and illyrians(dont forget here that a good part of the imperators were from illyria).

But lets stay in this debat....Etruscs were the preantic of the Romans and romans called them also like Tusci/Tosci and Etruria nowdays is called Toscana,but tosci(toske) also are called and the south albanians.

The name that was given Rome was for honor of Romulus,and we know that etruscs were a branch of pellazgs.

The name romulus derives from albanian which means "circle/or circle form(rromullaket in alb) and in a wide meaning it would be translated like a man with circle head form.

also BRINDISI (the roman city) derives from albanian language that is named like the horn of sheep(bri-n-=horn in alb and dis/das=the masculine of sheep)

Byzant too can be explained by albanian language"it is shared in 1 buz/byz=lips(in the meaning of piece of earth near the sea) and ant/asht=is,there is So Byzant could named like a piece of earth longed into sea(and today Istanbul is really positionated in similiar circonsatnces)

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Posted: 01-Jun-2007 at 16:00

Gaius "Julius" Caesar Octavianus went to Illyria not Julius Caesar.Oricia or Oricum was a Greek city.

"Arha Ellas apo Oricias kai arhegonos Ellas Epiros"

"Greece starts at Oricus and the most ancient part of Greece is Epirus."

Claudius ptolemy

Julius Caesar was of the Julius (fem. Julia) is the nomen of the gens Julia, an important patrician family of ancient Rome supposed to have descended from Julus(replacing the Greek name Ascanius), and thus from the goddess Venus.

Illyrians were warriors ,so what.The name has nothing to do with illyrian or albanian.

Julius

A male given name

Latin

Etymology

Uncertain, possibly from Greek ioulos 'wooly first beard hares', i.e. the young, or from Latin Jovilius 'devoted to Jove'

Noun

Julius

July (month; originally Quintilis 'the fifth' (starting from March), renamed after Caius Julius Caesar)

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Posted: 01-Jun-2007 at 15:17

originally posted by olvios

Originally posted by erton

the question is that when CAESAR was studing in Apollonia in ILLYRIA he liked a lot the name spring by illyrians(in albanian PRANE-VERE=near summer) and take this to ROME for adjust the calendars...... Why should this great man be influenced by illyrian language?!

He wasnt influenced by illyrians which are not proven to be albanians anyway but influenced by Greeks he studied most of his.

Not only he was influenced by illyrians but he had a part of them in his side during his war with Pompey near Durrachium.He respected a lot illyrians for their braveness.

Some autors even say that his name "juli/julius" is the derive of the name "ylli"(the star in albanian) Ylli=juli.

When Caesar was acrossing to Aulona at ancient ORIK he said exactly:-these beutiful views bring me in mind the homeric views and the people remember me antic troyans.....

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Posted: 30-May-2007 at 17:21

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Posted: 30-May-2007 at 15:53

Originally posted by erton

even the famous(olimpic) word maraton derives from albanian language.

It derives from the first word mara=(take/took in albanian) and the other part tone=(they say in albanian).

So maraton means "i take smth".........and really in the olimpic games of antic times it was a honor to partecipate and as well to take prizes.

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Posted: 30-May-2007 at 14:51

even the famous(olimpic) word maraton derives from albanian language.

It derives from the first word mara=(take/took in albanian) and the other part tone=(they say in albanian).

So maraton means "i take smth".........and really in the olimpic games of antic times it was a honor to partecipate and as well to take prizes.

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Posted: 29-May-2007 at 07:59

I dont believe in races as well.);

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Posted: 29-May-2007 at 05:47

Originally posted by olvios

John Wilkes: "The Illyrians", Oxford Press, 1996:

(1) "..A separate group of Illyrians identified by renowned historian Geza Alfoldy: he identifies 'Pannonian peoples' in Bosnia, northern Montenegro [around Plyevlya and Priyepolye, p.84] and western Serbia [Sanxak]". p.75

(2) "Not much reliance should perhaps be placed on attempts to identify an Illyrian anthropological type as short and dark-skinned similar to moderAlbanians." p.219

(3) "In sum, the destructive impact [of Bosnia-centred theory] on the earlier generalizations regarding Illyrians should be regarded as a step forward." p.40

He also states in page 357 that albanian positions on the matter are unreliable and unbased and that the romanoi-vlachs of the area were illyrians that were forced to migrate more to the south.He constantly declares that any albanian illyrian claims are politicaly driven and have no basis or proof.

John Wilkes is wrong on considering many previous data.

The Illyrii Proprie Dicti lived southern, mostly in what is now albania, and surroundings

I am not a racist, I do not believe in races, but according to many authors, the albanians are not short, nor dark skinned. Some late cases were caused by malnutrition during the communist regime. Albanians are dinarids, and with a high cephalic index, light skinned. Anyway this could be discussed on another thread.

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Posted: 28-May-2007 at 14:48

John Wilkes: "The Illyrians", Oxford Press, 1996:

(2) "Not much reliance should perhaps be placed on attempts to identify an Illyrian anthropological type as short and dark-skinned similar to moderAlbanians." p.219

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Posted: 28-May-2007 at 14:41

Originally posted by erton

and CEASAR knew that the albanian language was the oldest.....

No logic here.

Originally posted by erton

he named his preferite season (springs) like primavera and not "prima estate'....why should this happen when the summer in italian is called estate and according to this the spring would be called like prima estate???

It was called like that "ver,vera" in latin also.You are making an error in judgement.

He wasnt influenced by illyrians which are not proven to be albanians anyway but influenced by Greeks he studied most of his life.

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Posted: 28-May-2007 at 14:11

Originally posted by Arb�r Z

vr etc is an indoeuropean root for spring-summer. it is preserved in albanian, but also in spanish etc. If it is an ie root, than albanian, which is an indoeuropean language, has the same right to claim it, as other languages.

it seems that there is indeed a common indoeuropean root
In Greek there is the word Ear(Εαρ) which means spring and it is similar to the latin word vera.In Old Norse var also means spring.

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Posted: 28-May-2007 at 13:21

Originally posted by olvios

It has nothing to do with illyrian let alone albanian. Vera means truth in latin."in truth : re vera, vero" and "early spring" ,spring : vera,ver : spring, the production of spring

Latin prma vra, early spring, pl. of prmum vr : Latin prmus, first; see per1 in Indo-European roots + Latin vr, spring; see wes in Indo-European roots

Aside from that it was Caesar Octavian who was sent to Apollonia, on the coast of Greece(as it was a Greek colony with illyrians as mere slaves), to attempt to finish his education by Greek tutors. While in Apollonia, Octavian trained with Roman legions stationed there to complement his military skills. Only months after arriving in Apollonia, Octavian learned that Julius Caesar was murdered.

That word you have in albanian is latin and not illyrian.It is a latin loanword.

How did you reach that conclusion???

And second, Illyrians in Apolonia were not mere slaves...as you can read in many authors, the illyrians were not good slaves...And apolona never was in the greek coast, it was a greek colony, and as we already have discussed, the greeks didnt colonise greek lands. Apolonia was a greek colony on the illyrian coast!

Regarding the language, you have concluded that Vlach or Slavic languages are linked to the illyrian, while albania is not. Any proofs to support your thesis?

Regarding the connection between the illyrian proprie dicti and the albanian, I ll advise you to check the illyrian dictionary (made of a few words inherited by the illyrians) it is almost completely compatible with albanian cognates.

There is also a lot of toponyms, ethnonyms, oronyms, theonyms which prove the connection. Of course, albanian is not illyrian, but we can conclude that it is a development of illyrian, partially latinised.

Almost all the non latin vocabulary of Rumanian or Vlach is shared with Albanian. This is a proof that the linguistic substratum of these cultures is the same, or similar. This led to the theory of the illyro-thracic substratum.

And something else, what do you mean by "bye"? When a man says something, he usually doesnt turn on his words, does he?

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Posted: 27-May-2007 at 05:55

It has nothing to do with illyrian let alone albanian. Vera means truth in latin."in truth : re vera, vero" and "early spring" ,spring : vera,ver : spring, the production of spring

Latin prma vra, early spring, pl. of prmum vr : Latin prmus, first; see per1 in Indo-European roots + Latin vr, spring; see wes in Indo-European roots

Aside from that it was Caesar Octavian who was sent to Apollonia, on the adriatic coast (as it was a Greek colony with illyrians as mere slaves), to attempt to finish his education by Greek tutors. While in Apollonia, Octavian trained with Roman legions stationed there to complement his military skills. Only months after arriving in Apollonia, Octavian learned that Julius Caesar was murdered.

That word you have in albanian is latin and not illyrian.It is a latin loanword.

Edited by olvios - 28-May-2007 at 14:32

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Posted: 26-May-2007 at 18:20

You are not making sense again and i will not continue this.I am sorry but thats it on myside.I try to help but you dont seem to want communicate.

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Posted: 26-May-2007 at 15:38

and CEASAR knew that the albanian language was the oldest.....

he named his preferite season (springs) like primavera and not "prima estate'....why should this happen when the summer in italian is called estate and according to this the spring would be called like prima estate???

the question is that when CAESAR was studing in Apollonia in ILLYRIA he liked a lot the name spring by illyrians(in albanian PRANE-VERE=near summer) and take this to ROME for adjust the calendars......

Why should this great man be influenced by illyrian language?!

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olvios