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    Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 05:55

I made this map, what is your idea about it?



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  Quote Yiannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 06:03

Nice! These are the sculptures of the Persian king's subjects from Persepolis right?

Now we can really put the face where the location is.

Good work!

Btw, great hat, the Skythians

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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 07:58

the "Arab" looks more decent than the others

 

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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 08:46

Nice! These are the sculptures of the Persian king's subjects from Persepolis right?

Yes but unfortunately some important ones have been lost or badly damaged such as Hyrcanian, Egyptian, Parthian, Assyrian, and Carmanian.

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  Quote Faran Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 10:42

wow...damet garm! You should get this copyrighted. 

That's a nice map.  It would be nice to write the names of the other subjects even if there are no good reliefs of them. The Jews and Egyptians are especially important as subjects of the Persians in history.

 



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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 13:16

Thanks!

There are some Jews in the Syrian delegation, so I can add it but for Egyptians, maybe we can use an Egyptian relief like this one:

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  Quote cattus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 13:29
I concur with Yiannis, nice! The Scyth hat is great.
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  Quote Miller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 13:52
Didn't the Greeks shave their face. Why does this guy have facial hair


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  Quote Yiannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2005 at 03:01
The shaving fashion came in the Hellenistic period, at the 4th century BC and passed to the Romans as well. Before that they kept beards.
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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2005 at 11:44

littel off topic but how do you prononce the name of this empire?

is it Hakhameneh?

 

 

 

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  Quote Faran Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jan-2005 at 20:43

ha-kha-man-e-SHI (Achaemenid) from ha-kha-man-ESH (Achaemenes), the founder, the "i" at the end turning it into an adjective.

The second "a" is pronounced as in "wall" and the other two as in "cat".

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  Quote Scythian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jan-2005 at 23:20
So, how do you like my hat, eh?

Great stuff Cyrus, mind if I repost it at other message boards?
I'll put a link to this forum, but it would be smart if you
added a URL onto the map.
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  Quote Christscrusader Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jan-2005 at 23:26
Since when were there greek subjects?
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  Quote Gubook Janggoon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jan-2005 at 23:48
Wow that's a great map!  I like the Ethiopian dude.
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  Quote Christscrusader Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Jan-2005 at 00:01
and whats the big difference between the Ionians and the Greeks? Weren't they mostly the same?
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Jan-2005 at 02:33

Great stuff Cyrus, mind if I repost it at other message boards?

no problem, just mention the source, thanks!

Since when were there greek subjects?

When Darius the Great conquered northern and eastern Greece.

and whats the big difference between the Ionians and the Greeks? Weren't they mostly the same?

You should know it better than me, both of them have been mentioned as Yauna by Persians but they were not the same.

Yauna tyaiy ushkahya uta tyaiy drayahya uta dahyava tya para draya
Ionians who are of the mainland and (those) who are by the sea, and countries which are across the sea.

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  Quote ramin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Mar-2005 at 12:49
wow, great job Cyrus 
Cyrus maybe u could add the borders of dominion to the map as well.

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Since when were there greek subjects?
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When Darius the Great conquered northern and eastern Greece.

and later Xerxes conquered Athens and burned Acropolis -> So Sad...
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  Quote Berosus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Mar-2005 at 07:25
The Cappadocian should be farther east, just behind the Armenian.  Right now he's where I would put a Lydian subject.
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  Quote Alparslan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Mar-2005 at 07:41

 

Scythians should be Sakas on the map. Scythians were on the northeast of Thracians.

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  Quote Sharrukin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Mar-2005 at 02:45

The Cappadocian should be farther east, just behind the Armenian.  Right now he's where I would put a Lydian subject.

The Cappadocian should be just about the middle between the Ionian and the Armenian.  Where the Cappadocian is now, I would put a Phrygian.  I would put the Ionian just a little further west in order to have enough room enough to put a Lydian.

Scythians should be Sakas on the map. Scythians were on the northeast of Thracians.

In Persian designations all Scythians are Sakas, just as to the Greeks, all Sakas are Scythians.  But, yes, just as Cyrus have drawn a distinction between "Greeks" and "Ionians", known collectively by the Persians as Yauna, "Ionians", he should distinguish the "Scythians" and "Sakas", known collectively by the Persians as Saka, likewise. 

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