About the study of african history.

Originally posted by Tk101 hmm  Pingiun I tend to agree with most of waht you said. sometimes things aren't always what they seem... all becuase people look like you does that mean that they are genetically similar to you? if what you say is true...would it be safe to say that most spainish are N. African variants?...    also what was the reason why after the 12th century, iberia had the most advanced kindgoms in Europe?

Edited by pinguin - 24-Apr-2007 at 10:35

Originally posted by Tk101 medit race? oh ok...sounds very strange to have everyone on the Medit sea related? sounds like a biased view to me...

not stranger than having all 'white' or 'black' people related

If you have ever heard about Mediterranean diet, Mediterranean architecture, and Mediterranean family style, you will realize that people of the Mediterranean sea are all related, not only by genetics by also by culture and ancient traditions.

Originally posted by Tk101 i highly doubt that... whats the validation of such a term? your personal intuition?

Tk 101 Don't believe Pinguin, read The Mediterranean and the Mediterranean World at the Time of Philip II by Fernand Braudel (t.1) that book is one of the best piece of history and has been recognized as such since� 1949. Incidently Braudel and Pinguin agree. I don't know if Braudel uses this expression but he might have: "the mediterranean regions are the organes of a unique body". The French terme charabia (un-understandable speach) comes from the fact that arround the Med mostly in ports for everybody to be understood by all they used an awful mix of Arabic, Spanish, French, Turkish, Greek and Italian during the pre-modern period. That is also why Algerian has a lot of French words, that some Corsican dialects sound Greek, some Italian ones Spanish and some Spanish ones Italian. It is the reason why lot of the Turkish vocabulary comes from the Greek (starting by Istanbul) and why in English you use such arabic words as Admiral, Caravan, Algeber or Arsenal or the Turkish one Karamel.

Conserning physical resemblence lets just say that Northern Portuguese call southern Portuguese Moros (Moors). But this are mostly cultural traits when it comes to genetics I wouldn't be so sure about mixity in most places and certainly not at the scale of the Mediterranean. It is more a wild guess than anything else but remember that most of the Mediterranean regions are landlocked montains with little contact with each others but the fact that environmental similarities may have induce cultures to adopt the same traits.


Edited by Maharbbal - 26-Apr-2007 at 11:37

Originally posted by Tk101 To label the romans, greeks, cretes, egyptians, moors and the others as a medit race is quite ridiculous.

Why is it more ridiculous than lumping together Irish, Bengali and Nenets in  a single race? Or Kazakh, Japanese and Inuit?

I sort of agree with you in many respect. However, in the Mediterranean there are SOME cultural and genetic patterns in common. That's undeniable.

Edited by pinguin - 26-Apr-2007 at 22:26

this preception you have of others that live on the sea...seem only through your internal zeal to be appart of such a region that you dont see the difference between so called brotherhood  and them being nice...

Edited by Tk101 - 27-Apr-2007 at 11:58

hmm no i do realize that there is a bond..i have stated many times before... but even if you are latino...the bond of states in that part of the world is no more special than the bonding or coming to together of  europeans in early america, or the unification of china...