Schools allowed to ban face veils

Originally posted by Styrbiorn And as comparison travel agencies usually add stuff like this in their brochures: on my desk I have a magazine stating that eating out during ramadan in Zanzibar should be avoided, since it is deemed rude.

Aye, but no-one will actually stop you from doing it.

Originally posted by S&D When Western women go to countries that require them, they have to wear them and they aren't even apart of that culture, nevermind a religious belief.

hmmm? In most muslim majority countries, take Tunisia, Egypt or Morocco for example, westerners can wear what they please. It is of course preferred that they dress up, but most still don't. There isn't any attempt to force the westerners into changing their dress (although I've heard street boys in Cairo can be pretty rude).

Originally posted by Strybiorn They are not at all totally different. Laws reflect the society, are written by people and influenced by people. They are not independent from each other.

I glad you brought that up actually, because this is not the case in muslim countrys or thought patterns. Pre-colonialisation the Law was completely independent from the executive or populace, people are expected to obey the law, not the other way around. In Shariah law, Justice is Justice, morallity is morallity, everybody deserves Justice and should live morally, an unjust or immoral law cannot be created by government. Post colonialism most systems of law have been imposed by foriegn powers, and again, do not reflect the society. When the society does attempt to exert influence over the law, they are suppressed often by foriegn intervention or interferance.

Personally, I consider it a fundamental weakness of the western legal system that the judiciary is not independent of the executive. The executive can simply change the law. In the Islamic system the rulers have to obey the law, not the other way around.

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Personally, I consider it a fundamental weakness of the western legal system that the judiciary is not independent of the executive. The executive can simply change the law. In the Islamic system the rulers have to obey the law, not the other way around.

Edited by Styrbiorn - 28-Mar-2007 at 05:24

Edited by Styrbiorn - 28-Mar-2007 at 05:23

ah great, If It is now law, You have a police state Which limit freedom of people without law.

Your singlemindedness is becoming extremely tedious. I am seriously wondering why I bother at all, as you obviously do not care to read other peoples arguments, or are doing your utmost best to misinterpret them.

Your singlemindedness is becoming extremely tedious. I am seriously wondering why I bother at all, as you obviously do not care to read other peoples arguments, or are doing your utmost best to misinterpret them.

Edited by Aelfgifu - 28-Mar-2007 at 06:23

I think you are right, erkut. But unfortunately, in a free country, we cannot forbid parents to make their daughters wear them. You would need to prohibit them for everyone, including those who wear it out of choice, which is against the right for free religion.

Edited by Aelfgifu - 28-Mar-2007 at 06:32

There is a simple solution to this problem. Get the muslim schools to ban the niqab in schools first, then the public schools can say "Hey, were just following their example". As Erkut says, there really isn't any reason why a school girl should be wearing Niqab.

Actually now I think about it, the muslim school in my city enforces a uniform code (which includes hijab for girls) so you probably wouldn't be allowed to wear a Niqab (I don't think anyone has tried).

Originally posted by Styrbion This is interesting, because I find that having inflexible laws in an ever-changing society makes little sense.

The laws aren't actually static. Although some people pretend that they are. Its just that the government don't get to decide, instead this is in the hands of independent judges and scholars of law. So many times have governments tried to push something through and been opposed by righteous judges (who usually hold the favour & trust of the masses).

İ am keep saying thats brainwashing. Little girls does not viel their faces with their own wish!