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    Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 06:01

Here's the character:

Now, discuss...

 

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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 11:47
is that Richelieu?
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  Quote Frederick Roger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 11:49
Yes.
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  Quote Inquisitor Dei Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 12:23
Great statesman, indeed.

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  Quote cavalry4ever Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 14:54
Originally posted by Inquisitor Dei

Great statesmen, indeed.


Ruthless, unprincipled politician. He will set the stage for rolling back religious tolerance and establishment of the absolute monarchy of Louis XIV. His successor will be the Cardinal Mazarin. This is the start of Counter Reform movement in the Europe.



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  Quote Genghis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 22:44

Originally posted by cavalry4ever

Ruthless, unprincipled politician.

Glorious, shrewd statesman who made France the great power she was for 400 years.

Vive France!  Vive Richelieu!



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  Quote Inquisitor Dei Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jan-2005 at 07:41
No doubt he was ruthless, but still he was a great statesman.
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  Quote Genghis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jan-2005 at 20:28

I would say it was because he was ruthless that he was a great statesman.

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  Quote Gubook Janggoon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jan-2005 at 20:38
Originally posted by Genghis

I would say it was because he was ruthless that he was a great statesman.



Much like Bismark
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  Quote Murph Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jan-2005 at 21:35
what is that painting of?
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  Quote Frederick Roger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 04:41

I believe it to be a sea battle during the Siege of La Rochelle (1627-1628).

 

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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 13:03
he was just like Bismarck...
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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 13:46
He looks like real prince of the church and god of war in one. I guess it was his intention to look this way on the pictures.
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 19:19
he is one of those people (I have many of these) who I would have hated to liv eunder but can admire from a distance.
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  Quote Conquistador Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2005 at 06:16

he is one of those people (I have many of these) who I would have hated to liv eunder but can admire from a distance.

That is so true. Another one of mine is Peter the Great. He pushed Russia forward, but I still wouldn't want to live there.

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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 10:28

Well that is true Conquistador...

Richelieu, well the best minister, statesman, cardinal and character France met in many years before and after.. his politics could be discussed but this is him.

The picture should be stated as Cardinal Richelieu at The Siege of La Rochelle in 1629 and I have seen it in wikipedia...

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  Quote hugoestr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 11:56
Maybe we should distinguish between two kind of "great statesmen." There are the ones who are "great" because they are excellent, effective leaders for their countries, regardless of the ethics of their decisions.

Then we have the ones that are "great" because of how good the quality of life and liberty was under their power.

From what I hear, Richelieu was a "great statesman" under the first category.

This is an amazing painting of Richelieu.

Here we have Richelieu standing out from the regular soldiers and religious men. He is a hands-on leader that gets as close as possible to the action. Even though we may think that he is safe behind the battlefront and the battle works, he is still in danger: the spear closest to his body has been damaged by a cannon ball.

He looks deep in thought, as if he is absorbing and analyzing the battle. In contrast, the soldier to the left seems to be explaining the battle to the monks.

I like the detail of the monk holding his cardinal hat, hinting that the Church is Richelieus servant. For him, it was.

Do you know when the painting was done and who was the painter? It will explain a lot. Thanks for sharing this picture Frederick Roger.
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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 13:34

Richelieu at the siege of La Rochelle. By Henri Motte (1881).

This was the text under the picture in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RichelieuRochelle.jpg

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  Quote Frederick Roger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2005 at 18:28
One must always recall that Richelieu was supposed to become a soldier, having gone through training at the Academy, but the sudden death of his father, forced him to move to the clergy for economic reasons. 
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  Quote Quetzalcoatl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Apr-2005 at 20:08

 

Richelieu at the break water of La Rochelle.

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