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QuoteReplyTopic: The Global 17th Century Crisis Posted: 13-Mar-2007 at 18:50
GOLDSTONE Jack A. (Jan. 1988). East and
West in the Seventeenth Century: Political Crises in Stuart England,
Ottoman Turkey, and Ming China, Comparative Studies in Society and
History, 30/1., 103-142.
Criticism of the previous interpretations:
Too Eurocentric: they assume that the West was the epicentre of a
crisis due to the rise of capitalism and of the modern state (Marx and
Weber). Significantly, the crisis seems to have had more consequences
in the East than in the West. The simultaneity of the English
revolution, the Anatolian turmoil and the end of the Ming is not either
merely casual: behind all of these events lay a common causal
framework rooted in a wide-ranging ecological crisis (p.104). The
author intends to note certain cogent similarities that make
comparative analysis possible (p.105). Early modern states faced
common constraints; they needed: 1) sufficient revenue for their army
and their administration, 2) sufficient allegiance from the elite, 3)
sufficient stability for production to occur. Demographic growth and
inflation endangered the equilibrium reached during the 16th century.
The end of a virtuous cycle started in the late 14th century: During the 16th century, population growth had accelerated (less diseases, better climate). - +70% for rural Asia Minor and +200% in urban areas in 1500-70; +700% for Istanbul 1520-1600. - Chinese population from 65m late 14th century to 150m late 16th century. - England from 2m in 1520 to 5m in 1640; London from 50k in 1500 to 400k in 1650.
But agricultural productivity didnt follow that quick pace. - In Anatolia, cultivated acreage increased by 20% in 1500-1570 (decline of productivity per capita). -
In China the amount of land under cultivation rose of 50% from the late
14th to the mid-17th century (average acreage per head tilled by 33%
from 1480 to 1600).
The result of this hiatus was emigration,
changes in diet (lower standard of living) and change in landholding
structure (which in turn fed proto-industry). After 1650, these trends
reversed population declined and agriculture expanded (England even
managed to export grain).
A price revolution, the 1500-1650 great inflation: Braudels vision is that import of silver from the Americas in the 16th century depreciated currencies. But: The equation that relates money supply and prices is MV = PQ,
where M is the money supply, V the velocity of circulation of money, P,
the price level, and Q the quantity of goods and services marketed. A
direct relationship between the money supply and the price level occurs
therefore only when the velocity of circulation and the quantity of
goods marketed are either constant or change in the same proportion.
But in the sixteenth and early seventeenth centuries monetary velocity
changed rapidly relative to economic output" p.108.
And, monetary velocity did increase during the period; urbanization,
multiplication of rural markets and deepening of division of labour
induced a faster turnover of species. The extensive use of credit by
merchants and governments and the debasement of money had the same
effect. Demographic growth increased demand, while supply grew
modestly creating an import pressure on the prices; from 1500 to 1650,
there was 500% inflation, in the mean time, the stock of silver in
England only rose of 33%. There was a monetary famine (development of
copper coinage). If inflation had been caused by American silver
imports, the governments would have re-valuated their currency they
debased them instead. Besides, inflation stopped after 1650, but not
precious metals flows.
Fiscal decay: Due to inflation, the fiscal systems and the military systems linked to it were destroyed:
Collapse of the timar system in Turkey, the central army takes more
importance (burden of cash payment, rebellion if salary doesnt cope
with inflation, budget deficit), and lands and tax-collecting become
private. Contrarily to what has been argued before, trade with the west
doesnt seem to be the reason for the Ottoman fiscal crisis.
Extraordinary taxes became ordinary revenue, but the unfairness of the
tax-farmers and the ability of large landowners to escape taxes fuelled
rebellion. In China, the lija system, also collapsed. Unable to
pay their equipment, the wei-so military families lose their strategic
importance. Early Ming taxes were paid in goods, but were converted in
silver (ex. Chang Chu-cheng 1572-82). There too central government was
enable to enforce taxation. As governments deficit rose, the
provinces gentry had to rely on its own means to survive and became
semi-independent, preventing the state to increase its revenues. The
author refuses to consider the import of European silver as a cause of
the Mings decline. Rice shortage were much more important for
inflation. p.116: The critical problem was that rising military costs
collided with a decreasingly effective tax system. The English
Revolution too started by a financial crisis, after the government had
exhausted its asset and credit (no loan guaranteed on taxes since
1620s). The king depended on an alienated Parliament for new taxes. The
king had to resort to hidden taxation (monopolies, special levies, sell
of offices). In the 1630, the crown was living on credit during
peacetime and couldnt afford a single war. The Scottish rebellion was
only the last stroke. p.119: the inflation eroded their [the Stuarts]
the value of their revenues, while the growing wealth of landlords
remained beyond their grasp.
The elites increasing social frustration: Population
growth (more surviving offspring dispersing the elites wealth) and
rising prices (more burden for the conservatives, more incomes for the
entrepreneurs) led to an increased social mobility. Overall, there was
an emergence of additional claimants (p.120). In the Ottoman
Empire, the alliance between the mighty janissaries and the local elite
created a new class: the ayans. The repaid turnover of the government
official made the administrative efficiency decline. The rising number
of gentry members created a fierce competition for the official
position; this led to the emergence of factions defying the sultan
occasionally. Inflation forced the Chinese magnates to concern
themselves more with profit-making than with administration. Class
divisions became blurred as some commoners got gentrified. Alienated
elite became semi-autonomous and often supported peasants rebellion
against the taxman. The bureaucratic chaos was general. In
England, as the Crown sold its lands, newcomers accessed to elite
statute. They grew bitter against a government unable to give them jobs. The
student population (coming from nouveau riches families) skyrocketed,
but the impoverished palace couldnt possibly employ them all. Education
In Turkey and in China the traditional education system was burst to
pieces by the increasing number of students, the quality declined.
Connection and wealth became more important than merit to build a
career. Often, futureless students and low-ranking official joined
bandits or peasants rebellions. The expansion of Oxbridge marked
the decline of traditional elite household education. The embittered
elite drifted to political radicalism. Frustrated and literate
masses welcomed heterodox religious movements. Predicators carried the
intellectual torch to the masses (p.129). These highly politic
currents endangered the ideological bases of the governments. Religion
Radical Puritanism, Tai-chou neo-Confucianism and to a lesser extend
Sufi dervishes stressed mens intrinsic worth and intended to purify
religious practice and public and private morals. Elites were seduced
by these ideas which offered a framework to understand the disordered
society. The Tung-li and Fu She academies (reformist and
equalitarian Confucians) and Puritans alike lost instantly their
political influence as soon as the social peace returned with the
Manchu and the Stuarts restoration. No popular uprising: Weak
central government and disaffected elite paved the way for the
impoverished landless peasants. But these rebellions were generally led
and structured by semi-autonomous gentry, unpaid deserters and
futureless students. The 1590s-1650s rebellions known as the
celali revolts were in general backed by ex-soldiers turned bandits and
local magnates seeking independence from Istanbul. The English Revolution is paradigmatic of a elitist and urban rebellion. The Yang-tze bond-servants revolts are maybe the main counter-example of this trend as it was both anti-Ming and anti-gentry. Conclusions: 1)The seventeenth-century crisis are not autonomous causal factors, but aspects of an integrated; multifaced process (p.131). 2)
The ideological differences governing state reconstruction after the
seventeenth-century crises profoundly influenced the later divergence
of East and West (p.133). As England, heir of the Puritan messianic
ideology, adopted a dynamic culture to reach its imperial destiny. By
contrast, China and Turkey adopted a cyclical point of view; orthodox
and conservative institutions were to be recreated to return to the
Golden Age. As a result they turned inward and eschewed novelty
(p.133).
Edit: some free advertisement for Mr Goldstone so despite the tremendous success of this forum we won't have to pay $1,000,000,000 of copyrights: his book on the subject Revolutions and Rebellion in the Early Modern World.
How well do you think this comparison worked? I'm always extremely sceptical of such studies, they appear to create a framework for comparison that sets itself appart from the normal paradigm, which generaly means eurocentrism.
I was wondering what you conclusions are based on this article? Do you think that Comparative studies give anything interesting that individual studies would not have achieved? Are such different areas comparable? Personally I don't believe that 3 completely different cultures, politics, economics, geography, develpment etcetcetc are truly comparable.
Well I must admit I've always been skeptical about comparative history. I seldom see really interesting articles about it. But often it is because somebody who knows a lot about say England is not interested by China.
Although the great French historian Marc Bloch early on advocated comparative history. And this man was rarely wrong. I have been conquered by articles of people such as Goldstone. If anything because without them you have no chance to do trans-Asian or trans-European history. Actually, when we talk about Renaissance, Middle Ages, migration, Industrial Revolution and so on we do compare Italy with France, the Netherland and England, the USA and USSSR... Without comparative history several topics would simply be beyond our reach.
Concerning this precise article I think it was quite brilliant. What the other does is not saying "look it is the same every where", but "hey guys, it is interesting that similar patterns of events are observable here and there and completely different outcomes. What we often don't understand about comparative studies (or often not very well done) is that it mixes differences and resemblances. A bit as if you compared bees, birds and bats to understand the way evolution dealt with aerodynamics.
Eurocentrism. Well it is a constant danger. A danger we're often unaware of because we fail to question sufficiently some of the things we are sure of. The 17th centry crisis is a great example. It was first distinguished in the 1940s as such and branded a crisis of transition from feudalism and capitalism. Thus it was considered as a completely European phenomenon. But what historians like Brenner, DeVries or Goldstone brought us is the understanding of the crisis as something else: the Netherland, the most capitalistic country of them all, didn't have this crisis, the Ottoman Empire who alegidly was the exact opposite had one. So? Well here comes this article to make us understand some things but certainly not the whole story.
Edit: I've re-read your post and realized I hadn't answered the last bit of your question. Are these places' features comparable? Well, as I said you can compare them to pinpoint differences: for instance, the productivity of Chinese and English manufactures in the 16th century. But beyond that I think that human societies are bound to play within a relatively restricted set of rules. Take the relationship between demography and urbanization. Before the rail road, it was impossible to bring water and food and fuel for more than 1.5 or 2 million people within the same city. Before 1800 no city had ever had more than 2m inhabitants, nowadays greater Tokyo has 25m and several hundreds of urban centers are way above 2m. This and many others are the type of things you can understand with comparative history. Besides, could really be satisfied if you studied Welsh economy or British economy independently without taking into consideration international trade? I think global and comparative history create extra problems for historians, they are more demanding if anything linguistically but they are necessary.
I'm aware of Marc Bloch's work, but Feudal Society is a survey of a European phenomena. Although I'm perhaps not qualified to make comments on his theories, I've read many articles that highlight the serious shortcommings of the book. The Annales school had some very interesting frameworks for comparison - Braudel and Olive Growing regions for instance, these I think are far more suitable as a starting point than many national historys.
My problem is with comparing distant places, I find it difficult to comprehend how such a study can work! You are right, it doesn't come around much, because of the serious difficulties of comparing such regions.
Now I'm not arguing against the use of a comparative framework complately, obviously many subjects are understood on such terms. I just wonder if such sweeping comparisons merely increase generalisations, rather than form new methods of inquiry.
However, I'll have a look at this article. Its on Jstor right?
The article of Bloch I was talking about is: " Pour une histoire compare
des socits europennes "
Revue de synthse historique, t. XLVI, 1928, p. 15-50. Mlanges
historiques, I, p.16-40 ; Histoire et historiens, p. 94-123. English translation in Frederic C. Lane and Jelle.
C.Riemersma, Entreprise and Secular change, Readings on economic
history, 1953, Richard D. Irwin, inc, .Homewood Illinois.
Concerning national histories, I for long agreed with you and so many examples point in your sense, not mentioning that notions such as Medival Italian History are often merely anachronic. Nonetheless the influence of polities in primarily the nation-state was usually very important economically (the borders), politcally (the wars) and culturally (national mythology, language). Concerning the cultural point I hope to be able soon to post some summaries of a very influence French dictionary called the places of memory (les lieux de mmoire) and precisely trying to understand the significance of mythological items (battles, people, flag, songs, TV programs) in the rise of the French identity.
Here is the worst piece of comparative history I've ever read, to the point it becomes almost a magnificeant piece of work: Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise to Western Power by Victor Davis Hanson.
Comparative history can be very useful if used the right way. What often happens with strong specialization is that each field creates their own paradigms and group think ideas. Being willing to look at other historical fields can be a real eye opener.
For example, a common claim that I hear from experts of all levels is a historical "first." So I heard many Americans say that the American Civil War was the first that attacked civilians.
In regard to V. D. Hanson, I do think he is a competent historian, but he has also become a "best-selling" writer, and has to keep the beast fed.
The publisher cares little about what is published as long as the money flows. In Carnage and Culture, Hanson is just extrapolating the thesis of his PhD dissertation to "universal history."
Edit: I've re-read your post and realized I hadn't answered the last bit of your question. Are these places' features comparable? Well, as I said you can compare them to pinpoint differences: for instance, the productivity of Chinese and English manufactures in the 16th century. But beyond that I think that human societies are bound to play within a relatively restricted set of rules. Take the relationship between demography and urbanization. Before the rail road, it was impossible to bring water and food and fuel for more than 1.5 or 2 million people within the same city. Before 1800 no city had ever had more than 2m inhabitants, nowadays greater Tokyo has 25m and several hundreds of urban centers are way above 2m. This and many others are the type of things you can understand with comparative history. Besides, could really be satisfied if you studied Welsh economy or British economy independently without taking into consideration international trade? I think global and comparative history create extra problems for historians, they are more demanding if anything linguistically but they are necessary.
Well I'd be more critical than that, I don't believe that comparing 16th century states in the way is particularly significant, I do wonder what interesting thigns come from it.
In the modern world, its slightly different. I'd argue that industrialisation and urbanisation are Western phenomena that have been spread globally. So I think there is room to perhaps gain some interesting information from this.
I recently was listening to RJW Evans most recent work, which is a basically a comparison of peoples sense of nationhood in the Early Modern period. Within this, he found room to compare Hungarians to the Scots and make some other fairly odd comparisons between peoples accross Europe, that followed similar paterns of identity, through confession. However, again I'd say these were extremely connected. The historical legacy of certain reformations and counter reformations was at play, there were similar cultural forces at play as well.
does that mean we should ignore factors outside of a single point of study, well no I don't think so. If I were to do a regional study, a national study or a continent study, I would of course include outside factors, includng international trade. I find it increasingly aggrivating with Historians that do almost disconnect their object of study from what is outside.
But heh, let me read that article. Also, remember, I'm always going to be a sceptic - I'm sceptical of all Economic History.
I think that the main advantage in studying widely spaced societies lies in the fact that they were all somewhat interconnected. Without understanding history on a continental and even global scale, certain historical events are inexplicable.
A well known example in military and political history is quite illuminating. For a specialized historian writing about the late classical age, the appearance of the Huns must seem an inexplicable cataclysmic phenomenon. However, for someone who understands Steppe and Chinese history, it is merely one more piece of the puzzle. In the same way, the Safavids were tied up in numerous wars with the Ottomans for a long time, but their sucessors were not and thus were free to attack the Mughals in the middle of the 18th century. To someone studying only Indian history, this sudden development might seem odd after centuries of peace on that north-western border.
The connections at the political level are fairly obvious. The ones at the economic, technological and social levels are more subtle, but I would argue even more important. The point I think is not in simply comparing different societies, but in understanding how the interactions between them changed societies and history. I am reminded of a little anecdote I read just the other day in Braudel's "Mediterranean": the pointed shoes so in fashion during the era of Charles VI of France (1380-1422), actually originated in Sui Dynasty China in the late 6th century, and the fashion slowly crossed Eurasia over 800 years... To a European social historian, the pointed shoes are just a quaint detail of the western European society's culture, but to someone who studies the interaction of cultures across Eurasia, they are a reminder that one cannot study societies in isolation.
Anyway, speaking specfically of the 17th century crisis, I think that by this time, the world was sufficiently connected, so as there to be a need for studying the economic, political and social conditions in many parts of the world.
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