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    Posted: 21-Jan-2005 at 10:09
First of all, the spread of IE isn't covered in the maps I provided,
because it happened a lot later than that.

There's a map of today's situation in Y-lineages of Europe,
I provided it, look at it. You can see that not much has changed
since 8000 years ago. This topic isn't about the spread of IE.

Greece is still a mix of Neolithic and Palaeolithic lineages as it was
8000 years ago, meaning, it's same/similar to what it was 3200 years ago,
2000 years ago etc. etc.

The migrations weren't large in that time ( 18.000 - 8000 yrs ago ),
but the populations weren't large either, so migrations made
a much larger impact on the genetics.


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  Quote Rava Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jan-2005 at 10:29

The Slavs brought their military influence in the Balkans, together with culture and language.  (Scythian)

1. Sclaveni migrated to Balkans governed by Bulgar Bans  (Avars gave them this role), and their language and culture was not "oh, so attractive" that 80% accepted it immediately. Especiall there in Illirycum. Perhaps old-church-slavonic was kind of a linqua latina for many populations but not for the Romans and Greeks.

2.This kind of research could easily proof (if needed politicaly) that American WASP's are in fact Indian aborigenes and have rights to this land. It's easy to find the same genes in both populations thousands years ago. I do appreciate your knowledge but I have distance to genetic and linguistic theories as well.



 

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  Quote Scythian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jan-2005 at 17:10
Originally posted by Rava

1. Sclaveni migrated to Balkans governed by Bulgar Bans  (Avars gave them this role), and their language and culture was not "oh, so attractive" that 80% accepted it immediately. Especiall there in Illirycum. Perhaps old-church-slavonic was kind of a linqua latina for many populations but not for the Romans and Greeks.


Get your facts straight.

1. Bulgars came after Slavs.
2. Romans and Greeks geopolitical influence at the time was out of the picture.
3. Old-Church Slavonic was some 3 centuries in the future at the time.


2.This kind of research could easily proof (if needed politicaly) that American WASP's are in fact Indian aborigenes and have rights to this land. It's easy to find the same genes in both populations thousands years ago. I do appreciate your knowledge but I have distance to genetic and linguistic theories as well.

Because you have political agendas.
A teritory belongs to the one who conquers it. Perhaps this seems unfair to you,
but it's the only realistic view.

Sure, people can whine about everything, but it doesn't change anything in the long run.

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  Quote cavalry4ever Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jan-2005 at 15:35
Originally posted by Scythian



The explanation is that you, and people like you want something,
and are prepared  only to listen to the clues/facts/details that
you like, and twist them around so to fit your preference/agenda.



I just want to say that you, Scythian, have added a lot of substance to this discussion and I appreciate it. I know more about Y chromosome and mtDNA than ever before. It is fascinating, because it is objective and doesn't depend on an agenda and ethnic pride.

This is fascinating subject and worth pursuing. This field was manipulated for so long by all kind of people with imbecillic agendas.
As a person, do I care who my ancestor was 8,000 yrs ago? Nope.

However this is interesting from historic perspective.
Modern genetics destroyed a lot of nonsense. We can see that we all have originated from the same source. Our diversity is more cultural and linguistic, than physical. And even there all our languages originated also from the same source. This is more on how did we manage to acquire all this diversity.


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  Quote cavalry4ever Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jan-2005 at 15:52
Interesting question:
Who was in Europe before Indo-Europeans settled in?
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  Quote Teup Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jan-2005 at 17:47
Neanderthals, that's for sure.. And uhm.. Pre-Indo-Europeans of course!
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  Quote Scythian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jan-2005 at 23:27
Originally posted by cavalry4ever

Interesting question:
Who was in Europe before Indo-Europeans settled in?


Well, some say that a sort of Basque-like language
was spoken in western Europe, while eastern Europe
was Ugric speaking.

I disagree, because we're speaking about times
when Europe's population was very small
and far apart. These people also didn't have writing.

This all gives fine prerequisites for having a large number
of very different languages.


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