sauds destroying Makkah and Medina

 

Regarding  the Khalifa--

Look within Qureish, from those of Badr, then from Muhajjir, then from Ansar, if none are worthy then from pious able muslims(I think that's the order). If the last Qureishi is blind he is not given priority over a seeing muslim. If the Qureshi has no authority or influence then according to Imam Abu Hanifa a muslim who has will be given priority(A prerequisite). But at all times he must rule by what is revealed, otherwise he would be removed, Qureshi or not. On this there is also no difference in opinion. Imam Ibn Hanbal, Abu Hanifah, and Imam Hussein did just that. When Hussein set off for Kufah he had said: What is it that the people want from me but to rule 'by' what god has revealed. 

 

The case for Qureshis is made in the following hadith:

"The Khalifahs are Qureshi"

 

Ghazali being a staunch supporter of the Qureshi only view, but actually the hadith is not absolute in this matter and does not rule out non-qureshi Caliphs.

 

However it is open to interpretation; it would also mean that the Qureshis are especially tasked with the guardianship of Islam and that they 'should' be among it's foremost supporters.

 

Qureshi by the virtue of their birth are not destined for anything more than the non-qureshi. Prime examples would be Abu Jahal and Abu Lahab.

 

However, If a Qureishi has all the needed qualities and substantial support among the then there are no better candidates then him.(Deference)

Hello Cok nice to see you, are you busy in your moderatng job?

Actually Ibn Munqidh is partialy right all the Sunnies Islamic sholars siad that except Abu Hanifa who said anyone have the right to be a caliph if he has the condition.

that is the only reason that made the Turks(Ottoman) adopted Hanafi sec.

 

 

Why is it, that everytime, someone tries to purify islam from from the many innovations and cultural intrusions in it, he is called an extremest, wahhabi etc. This is islam, like it or not, take it or leave it. From what you are saying here, you are implying that Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Anas Ibn Malik, and Muhammad Al-Shafii, the father of fiqh, are all wrong, and whatever suits you is right. Otherwise, we are all wahhabi's extremists etc.

 

Besides, the caliph being an arab doesnt mean Islam is an arabic religion. Dont you accept that the prophet was an arab? Dont you accept that the Sahaba and Ahlul-Bayt are arabs? Dont you accept that the Qur'an is in arabic form? Please answer all the examples I gave you in my previous posts, then call me an extremist.

maybe they were wrong they were not infallable persons if you want to strength your claims bring the reasons that made the scholars announced this Fatwa about Caliphate.

the second Imam was Malik Bin Anas not the vice versa.

 

Any ayet from quran? I mean why should accept everything said by others. Even  I must not listen word of prophet If It is against common logic.(for our times.) So I dont see any reason to leave from religion.

 

I get your point Ahmad Thanks for the correction.

@Bulldog,

 

Why do extremists worry about culture, try to destroy it and replace it with their own culture.

 

 

Cultre and Religion are seperate, religion can affect culture.

 

 

 

According to who? according to which authority. You have no right to call people good or bad, that is left to Allah.

 

-Im not labling people as good or bad, but if you indeed believe in God and Islam, why dont you accept what the highest Islamic scholars have said, or, in case you dont, come up with your own conclusion and propogate it. Who knows, you might start up a new 'islamic' sect.

 

 

So Hanafi doesn't exist? who said they're all wrong, they're schools of interpretation, there is no "right" or "wrong".

 

-Im not saying that he does not exist, my friend Ahmad the Fighter has thankfully pointed out that Imam Hanafi did not agree with the rest of the Imams, so I did not include him in my text. 

 

 

Ofcourse it does, it basically implies the highest ruling authority must be Arab and everybody else must serve Arabs.

 

-Incorrect, the Caliph isnt served, he serves the entire muslim nations, and is responsible for every muslim soul in his domain. The only position in the Umma that has to taken by an arab is the caliph, with the rest, anyone who is able, can fill them in. 

 

People of this mindset sound like they're trying to install a Papacy, have a Pope centred round a religous headquarters, then institutionalise and rationalise the religion and morph it into a tool of dogmatic power.

 

 

Unfortunately some certain people with huge amounts of money are trying to make Islam into a religion of dogma, desensitized to humanity.

 

 

 

Absurd.

 

Originally posted by Ibn Munqidh For example, one cannot be a muslim, and still practice zoroastrian beliefs, i.e. Nairooz, which is still celebrated in Iran. What type of hypocrisy is this?!

 

Hypocrisy is to expect all Iranians to be Islamic.  They should be able to practice whatever religion they want to.

 

Firstly guys, caaaalmmmmmm. Let's not personalize the issue.

 

The Quran it self speaks for culture and diversity, when it says that i have created you as tribes and nations(differing).

 

"O Mankind, We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other. Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is he who is the most righteous of you" (Quran 49:13)."

 

"These differences are not wrong, rather a sign from God ("And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colors. Verily, in that are indeed signs for those who know" [Quran 30:22]). "

 

If ever there was a safegaurd against primitive backward notions of racism, tribalism, nationalism or colourism the above would be it.

A man once visited the Prophet's mosque in Madinah. There he saw a group of people sitting and discussing their faith together. Among them were Salman (who came from Persia), Suhayb who grew up in the Eastern Roman empire and was regarded as a Greek, and Bilal who was an African. The man then said:

"If the (Madinan) tribes of Aws and Khazraj support Muhammad, they are his people (that is, Arabs like him). But what are these people doing here?"

The Prophet became very angry when this was reported to him. Straightaway, he went to the mosque and summoned people to a Salat.