sauds destroying Makkah and Medina

This is something that is talked little of, but the Saudi government has destroyed almost all the historical sites in the two cities just to make more money by building luxury 5 star hotels and malls inplace of them. To to tell you the truth i wish ottamans were still in control of these holy places atleast they had respect for them It seems these saudis just want to make money of everything, they have no respect for anything, they have the beduin mentallaty no matter how rich they get.

Why would they do that? These ancient sites could be useful for the tourist attraction... not to mention the religious significance.

Originally posted by Ibn Munqidh Kashmiri,   I see from your posts, is that you hold alot of grudge against the Al-Sauds. Im not a fan of them as well, but, what are your sources for this info?   Besides, Mecca and Medina, are constantly shifting their city plans, and buildings are continuously being razed to the ground, to allow for the haram's expansion, which the Saudi government has been commited to since it bore the responsibilty of keeping the two holy mosques. Not to make money, but to cope with the millions of annual pilgrims to those places. Do not worry, the two holy mosques will not slip out of arab control again. They are in respectful hands.

hese worried that they're in Arab hands and your saying don't worry there in Arab hands


I think 2 that hes  exagerating a bit

The Sauds are as representative of Arabs as Pat Robertson is of Americans - I don't think the question is of whether Arabs or Turks would control it better, the point is that anyone could do a better job than the Sauds.

The Sauds actually dont even belong to the hejaz region, they captured they region from hashmites and most of them were killed or forced to leave

Yep. And its still happening today. The Saudi think that when someone finally gives them the death blow it'll be a Hashmi. I think this may be why my family left.

Originally posted by Zagros the point is that anyone could do a better job than the Sauds.

bro are u saudi? i still dont understand how can you defend that government which is so hypocrytcle, which steals the oil money to benifit the royal family. i have nothing against the saudi people  as i have lived in Riyadh for 16 years but the government is a whole different story. you know in riyad there are tens of thousands of saudi nationals who are still homeless and live in mud brick houses, if the government was fair would you think this would happen in this oil rich country? saudi arabia has the potential to be the richest country in the world yet most of the money is still in the hands of royal family and all the control is still in their hands.

Edited by Kashmiri - 14-Mar-2007 at 12:08

Originally posted by Ibn Munqidh Hashimi as an arab, a descendant of the prophet? Or an Indian or Persian with a black turban?

I never did understand the black turban thing...
A Hijazi al-Hashim al-Quraesh is what I meant. But it really doesn't matter about the race of the rulers so long as they do it competantly. In fact muslims should be race blind.

Originally posted by Kashmiri who are still homeless and live in mud brick houses

Both eh?



Edited by Omar al Hashim - 15-Mar-2007 at 02:48

Originally posted by Ibn Munqidh According to the Sunnah, and the four principles of the Islamic schools of jurisdiction, Imams Hanafi, Shafi'i, Hanbali, and Maliki, the succesor of the prophet must be a Qurashi, not only an arab, but a Qurashi.

I am a follower of hanafi and I never heard such nonsense.