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    Posted: 02-Mar-2007 at 06:27
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptozoology
www.cryptozoology.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cryptids

I was on another board recently and there were a lot of Cryptozoological discussions going on that were interesting.I thought it would be an interesting topic to discuss here.

Cryptozoology, as the links explain, is the study of and/or search for creatures who are rumoured to exist but that there is very little plausible evidence for.Examples include Big Foot/Yeti, Kraken, Chupacabras, Loch Ness Monster, Werewolves, Vampires, Bunyips etc......more info on these and others in the links.

So what your opinions? Do you believe in any of the creatures mentioned in the above links? Have ever had any experiences? What do you think of Cryptozoology as a science?

Personally I can't say I believe in all the creatures people say exist but if you read through descritions of some of them such as the Kraken they do have some basis in real creatures.And remember many creatures once thought to be legends have since been found be extinct but they did once exist. For that reason I feel that Cryptozoology can be seen as a true science because it does have a certain level of truth and fact to it.
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  Quote Knights Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Mar-2007 at 06:48
Great Topic Cleo. I was thinking of starting something similar, but you beat me to it. Smile.
I think the conspiracy theorists and cryptozoologists who are out on the hunt for things such as vampires, the yeti and bunyips.etc. are a bit nutty - but not entirely. There are some plausible theories and evidence regarding some mythical/claimed-to-be-real creatures. The bunyip/yowie was all but disproved when the strange noises turned out to be bitterns (birds), but we must never exclude the possibility of their existence.
There is one area in which I strongly support the continuation of effort and research/investigation, and that is the elusive 'big cats' that are believed to stalk places where they are not found at all. Some examples include the Beast of Bodmin Moor (England), the Beast of Exmoor (England), Grampians panther (Australia) and Blue Mountains panther (Australia).
I believe in the existence of some of these cats, especially the Australian ones, due to supportive video evidence, but also verbal and hearsay.
There is even talk of a Kellyville big cat (about the size of a clouded leopard...) believed to roam the Kellyville area, which is a 20minute drive from where I live!
I would be very interested in further looking into these cat's existence, as they have become great legends, and ones that I reckon cryptozoologists can solve.

Beast of Bodmin:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/136546.stm


Beast of Exmoor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfw5nqxXuWw

Australian Panthers/Pumas:
http://uqconnect.net/~zzlaueli/bigcats.htm
http://www.strangenation.com.au/Articles/darkpanther.htm

I encourage all to read about this, it's fascinating, but haunting too!
So, Cryptozoology should definitely go ahead with some pursuits/investigations, but ditch unreal ones.

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  Quote QueenCleopatra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Mar-2007 at 15:47
Thanks Knights! I was a bit worried people might think I was a bit nuts.
 
Here are the justifications from Wiki for why Crypto should been seen as a legit science;

There are several animals cited as examples for continuing cryptozoological efforts:

  • The Coelacanth, a "living fossil" a representative of an order of fish believed to have been extinct for 65 million years was identified from a specimen found in a fishing net in 1938 off the coast of South Africa. (The coelacanth was well known to Comoros fishermen as the Gombessa, but unknown to scientists.)
  • Similarly cited is the 1976 discovery of the previously unknown megamouth shark, discovered off Oahu, Hawaii, when it became entangled in a ship's anchor. Some have cautioned against applying the "megamouth analogy" too broadly to hypothetical creatures, noting that while "the megamouth does show that the oceans have a lot of secrets left to reveal ... the Megamouth is a deepwater fish, easily hidden in the world's oceans, and not comparable with other creatures reported, such as surviving marine reptiles. While the Megamouth is not a useful analogy to support the existence of marine "cryptids" in general, it does demonstrate the resistance of science to identify new large species of marine animals without a corpse. Sightings of Megamouths now number approximately one a year. Before the discovery, one could argue this consistent sighting record was also present, but that the sightings were ignored or discredited as of some other animal.[2]
  • Also cited is the 2003 discovery of the remains of Homo floresiensis, a descendent of Homo erectus which took the anthropological community completely by surprise. Legends of a strikingly similar creature, called Ebu Gogo by the local people of Flores, persisted until as late as the nineteenth century, but it took until 2003 before the possible fossil remains of this species were found. In addition, human folklore is full of references to small forest people, called dwarves, elves, fairies, gnomes, leprechauns, or menehune.
  • In 1930, a Danish research ship, the Dana, collected a 6-ft eel-like larva. Typically, a 3-in (7.6-cm) eel larva (called a leptocephalus) grows into a 6-ft (1.82-m) eel, and therefore scaling up, a 6-ft larva may result in a 100-ft (30-m) adult. However, some 40 years after the Dana specimen was netted, it was reclassified as the larva of an eel-like deep-sea fish belonging to a group called Notacanthiformes. Known Notacanthiformes don't change much in size during the metamorphosis from larva to adult. The ratio in this still-unidentified species is not certain.
  • Cryptozoology supporters have noted that many unfamiliar animals, when first reported, were considered hoaxes, delusions, or misidentifications. The platypus, giant squid, mountain gorilla, grizzly-polar bear hybrid, and Komodo dragon are a few such creatures. Supporters claim that unyielding skepticism may in fact inhibit discovery of unknown animals, and skeptics claim that skepticism prevents an unwarranted potential epidemic of misidentified animal sightings being successfully attributed to cryptids.
  • The emblem of the now-defunct International Society of Cryptozoology is the okapi, a forest-dwelling relative of the giraffe that was unknown to Western scientists prior to 1901. Georges Cuvier's so-called "Rash Dictum" (a phrase coined by Heuvelmans) is sometimes cited as a reason that researchers should avoid unfounded, "rash" conclusions: in 1821, Cuvier remarked that it was unlikely for any large, unknown animal to be discovered, not because they aren't conspicuous, but because there aren't that many. Fewer than fifty such discoveries have been made since Cuvier's statement.
  • The notion that some cryptids are too strange to be real has been countered by the fact that people describe based on what they know. For instance, early explorers in Australia described kangaroos as creatures that had heads like deer (without antlers), stood upright like men, leaped like frogs, and sometimes had two heads, one on top and another on the stomach.[citation needed] Similar is the giraffe, which was thought by many ancient cultures to be a mix of parts from the camel and the leopard. This misconception lives on in the giraffe's scientific name: camelopardalis, or "camel-leopard."
 
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  Quote stung Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Mar-2007 at 09:31
 I live in Maryland and we have stories about Goatman,though he maybe more urban myth than cryptid.
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  Quote QueenCleopatra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Mar-2007 at 15:36
Maybe you could tell us more?
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  Quote stung Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Mar-2007 at 17:38
Originally posted by QueenCleopatra

Maybe you could tell us more?
He's more of an urban myth i think,with stories of his origin being contradictiones to each other.We also have bunnyman,chessie the sea serpent and the pig lady.
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  Quote DayI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Mar-2007 at 20:45
Originally posted by stung

 I live in Maryland and we have stories about Goatman,though he maybe more urban myth than cryptid.

yea like leprechaun :D
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  Quote QueenCleopatra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2007 at 11:45
Well I know Goatman appears on Wiki's list of Cyrptids for sure.
 
Here it is
Acinonyx jubatus guttatus Woolly Cheetah Genetic Disorder Carnivorous Mammal Africa
Ahool Bat Indonesia
Almas Abnuaaya, Almosty, Albasty, Bekk-Bok[1], Biabin-Guli, Golub-Yavan, Gul-Biavan, Guli-Avan, Kaptar, Kra-Dhun, Ksy-Giik, Ksy-Gyik, Mirygdy, Mulen, Voita, Wind-Man Primate Asia
Altamaha-ha River Animal United States, Georgia
Ameranthropoides loysi de Loys's Ape Primate South America
Andean Wolf Hagenbeck Wolf, Andean Mountain Wolf, Dasycyon hagenbecki Carnivorous Mammal High Andes
Atmospheric beast ? Atmosphere
Barmanou Primate Middle East/Asia
Batutut Primate East Asia
Bear Lake Monster Discredited Lake Animal United States, Idaho/Utah
The Beast of Bodmin Carnivorous Mammal United Kingdom
The Beast of Bray Road Carnivorous Mammal United States, Wisconsin
Beast of Busco Churubusco Turtle Reptile/Dinosaur United States
The Beast of Dean Moose-Pig Carnivorous Mammal England
The Beast of Exmoor Carnivorous Mammal England
The Beast of Gvaudan Carnivorous Mammal France
Bergman's Bear God Bear Extinct Carnivorous Mammal Asia
Bessie Lake Animal Lake Erie, North America
Bigfoot Sasquatch Primate North America, Malaysia (Johor)
Bili Ape Bondo Mystery Ape Primate Africa
Brenin Llwyd Primate Wales
British Big Cats Alien Big Cats or ABCs, Phantom Cats Carnivorous Mammal Great Britain
Brosno Dragon Lake Animal Lake Brosno, Russia
Bunyip Lake Animal Australia
Buru Presumed Extinct Reptile/Dinosaur India
Cadborosaurus willsi Caddy, Cadborosaurus Sea Animal Pacific Coast of North America
Canvey Island Monster Discredited Bipedal United Kingdom
Centaur Mythical? Humanoid Greece
Champ Champtanystropheus Lake Animal Lake Champlain, North America
Cherufe Mythical? Chile
Chessie (sea monster) Sea Animal Atlantic Coast of United States
Chimpekwe Reptile/Dinosaur Africa
Chupacabra Bipedal North/Central America
Con Rit Sea Animal Southeast Asia
Dahu Discredited Herbivorous Mammal France, Switzerland
Deinotherium Presumed Extinct Herbivorous Mammal Africa
Devil Bird Bird Sri Lanka
Dinosaurs in South America Reptile/Dinosaur South America
Dobhar-chu Carnivorous Mammal Ireland
Dover Demon Bipedal United States, Massachusetts
Dragon Reptile Europe and America
Ebu Gogo Primate Indonesia
Elasmotherium Giant Rhinoceros Extinct Herbivorous Mammal Asia
Ennedi tiger Saber-toothed cat Presumed Extinct Carnivorous Mammal Africa
Emela-ntouka Reptile/Dinosaur Africa
Fear liath Primate Scotland
Flatwoods Monster Green Monster ? United States, West Virginia
Flying Rod Sky Fish Discredited, with some exceptions Flying Creature Worldwide
Fouke Monster Primate United States, Arkansas
Fur-bearing Trout Discredited Fish North America
Gambo Sea Animal Africa
Giant Anaconda Reptile/Dinosaur South America
Giant Penguin Discredited/Extinct Bird Florida (USA), New Zealand
Giglioli's whale Sea Animal Off the Coast of Chile, Off the Coast of Scotland, French Mediterranean Coast
Gin-Sung[2] Bear-Men, Kung-Lu, Tok Primate Asia
Globster Sea Animal
Goatman Bipedal United States
Greys Roswell Aliens, Reticulians, Zetas Existence disputed Bipedal Worldwide
Harpy Mythical? Humanoid World
Hellhounds Mythical? Carnivorous Mammal
Hibagon Primate Japan
High-finned sperm whale Cetacean Shetland Islands
Hodag The Dag Carnivorous Mammal/Lizard United States, Wisconsin
Hoop Snake Discredited Reptile/Dinosaur United States/Australia
Humanzee Chuman Hypothetical Primate
Hyote Discredited
Inkanyamba Lake Animal Africa
Jackalope Discredited Herbivorous Mammal North America
Japanese Wolf Extinct Carnivorous Mammal Japan
Jersey Devil Bipedal United States, New Jersey
Kappa Bipedal Japan
Kasai Rex Extinct Reptile/Dinosaur Africa
Kikomba Primate Africa
Kingstie Discredited Lake Animal North America, Lake Ontario
Kongamato Pterosaur/Bird/Bat Kenya
The Kraken Giant Squid Confirmed Sea Animal World's Oceans
Kting Voar Snake-eating Cow Likely Herbivorous Mammal Cambodia
Lake Tianchi Monster Lake Animal China
Lake Van Monster Monster of Lake Van Lake Animal Turkey
Lake Worth monster Carnivorous Mammal United States, Texas
Lariosauro Lariosauro, Como Lake monster Water reptile Italy
Lindworm Discredited Europe
Lizard Man of Scape Ore Swamp Bipedal United States, South Carolina
Lizard Men Bipedal Worldwide
Loch Ness Monster Nessie Lake Monster Scotland
Long Horse[1] Hoax Similar to a normal horse, only several times the normal length. North America/Europe
Loveland Frog Bipedal United States, Ohio
Lusca Sea Animal World's Oceans
MacFarlane's Bear Extinct Carnivorous Mammal Canada
Maltese Tiger Blue Tiger Likely Carnivorous Mammal China
Mamlambo Lake Animal South Africa
Manipogo Lake Animal Canada
Mapinguari Remnant of Megatherium Extinct Herbivorous Mammal Amazon Rainforest
Maricoxi Primate South America
Marozi Carnivorous Mammal Africa
Marsupial Lion Thylaceo, Thylaceo carnifex Confirmed. Extinct Carnivorous Mammal Australia
Mbielu-Mbielu-Mbielu Reptile/Dinosaur Africa
Mecheny Primate Asia
Megalania prisca Giant Australian Monitor Lizard Reptile/Dinosaur Australia
Menehune Primate United States, Hawaii
Merfolk Sea Humanoid World's Oceans
Minhoco Extinct? Caecilian/Snake/Worm South America
Minnesota Iceman Discredited Primate United States, Minnesota
Mngwa Carnivorous Mammal Africa
Moehau Primate New Zealand
Mokele Mbembe Reptile/Dinosaur Congo
MoMo Primate United States, Missouri
Mongolian Deathworm Allghoi (or orghoi) khorkhoi Carnivorous Insect Gobi Desert
Mono Grande Hominid South America
Morag Lake Animal Scotland
Mothman Bipedal United States, West Virginia
Muckie Lake Animal Lakes of Killarney, Ireland.
Muc-sheilch Lake Animal Scotland
Mussie Lake Animal Canada
Nahuelito Lake Animal Argentina
Night Parrot Pezoporus occidentalis Confirmed. Extinct? Parrot Australia
Nandi Bear Chemosit[3], Chimiset, Chimisit, Duba, Engargiya, Gadett, Ikimizi, Kerit, Kikambangwe, Kikomba, Koddoelo, Ngoloko, Sabrookoo, Shivuverre Carnivorous Mammal Africa
Neo-Giant Primate
Ngoubou Extinct Reptile/Dinosaur Africa
Nguoi Rung Primate Vietnam
Nords Nordics, Pleideans, Hydeans, Wingmakers, Venusians, Telosians Primate/E.T. Alien
Nyalmo Primate Asia
Ogopogo Lake Animal Canada
Old Yellow Top Primate Canada
Olitiau Bat Cameroon
Orang-Bati Bipedal Indonesia
Orang Mawas Mawa, Orang Dalam Primate Malaysia
Orang Pendek Primate Sumatra
Cornish Owlman Bird England
Ozark Howler Carnivorous Mammal United States, Arkansas
Phantom cats Mythical? Carnivorous Mammal
Phantom kangaroo Presumed Extinct/Mythical? Marsupials Various
Phaya Naga Lake Animal Laos
Piasa Bird? United States, Illinois
Pope Lick Monster Bipedal United States, Kentucky
Popobawa Mythical? Bipedal Zanzibar, Tanzania
Queensland Tiger Carnivorous Mammal Australia
Red Headband Mythical? Bipedal Comoros, Africa
Road Troll Humanoid Cryptid United States
Row Reptile New Guinea
Salawa Seth, Salaawa Carnivorous Mammal Egypt
Sea monk Sea Animal World's Oceans
Sea Monsters Sea Animal World's Oceans
Great Sea Serpent Sea Animal World's Oceans
Setontot ? Malaysia
Shug Monkey Primate Europe
Shunka Warakin Carnivorous Mammal American West
Sirrush Reptile/Dinosaur Africa, Ancient Babylon
Skunk Ape Primate United States, Florida
Snallygaster Reptile/Dinosaur United States
Steller's Sea Cow Confirmed. Extinct Sea Animal Bering Strait
Storsjodjuret Lake Animal Sweden
Stronsay Beast Sea Animal Orkney
Taniwha Lake Animal New Zealand
Tatzelwurm Reptile/Dragon Europe
Thunderbird Bird North America
Thylacine Tasmanian Tiger Presumed Extinct Carnivorous Mammal Tasmania, Australia
Tjutjuna Chuchunaa Primate Russia
Trinity Alps Giant Salamander Amphibians United States, California
Trunko Sea Animal South Africa
Tsuchinoko Reptile/Snake Japan
Tsul 'Kalu Primate American West
Turul Mythical? Flying Creature
Unicorn unconfirmed Herbivorous Mammal World
Vampire Mythical? Humanoid World
Veo Carnivorous Mammal Indonesia
Waheela Carnivorous Mammal Canada
Waitoreke Carnivorous Mammal New Zealand
Wampus Cat Bipedal United States, Tennessee
Wendigo Mythical Bipedal United States
Werewolf unconfirmed Carnivorous Mammal World
Woodwose Primate Europe
Yeren Primate China
Yeti Abominable Snowman Primate Asia (Himalayas)
Yowie Primate Australia

[edit] Notable examples: Cryptobotany

Although not true cryptids, there are many examples of plants, that echo the nature of cryptids and their place in science. Including uncatalogued plants that are reported to possess healing or other properties, and unusually large carnivorous plants. Such plants fall into the category of Cryptobotany.

Name Other names Status Description Location
Man-eating tree Discredited Tree Central America, Madagascar, Mexico, South America
Stone-softening plant[4] Plant South America
Umdhlebi[4] Plant (Tree) South Africa
Vegetable Lamb of Tartary Discredited Tree/Animal Tartary
 
 
 
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  Quote Liudovik_Nemski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Mar-2007 at 18:44
I am interested in reading stuff about chupacabra.I am actually downloading a movie for it right now.This beast is truly the most horrifying of them allShocked
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  Quote Knights Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Mar-2007 at 06:38
I noticed one very beautiful and mysterious cat, the Blue, or Maltese tiger. I think its existence is one of the most plausible of those on the list, as it has been proven to exist, but not in the present (as of yet, I hope).


NOTE: This image seems to merely be a photoshopped white tiger, an impression of how the Blue tiger might look like.


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In the moment when genetics will accept fact that our "Creator" has created us using cryptography we can find "human" medicine&living style realy good for us.We are on "Creator's" development stand still.Our Creator has a collective entity.Every living creature,plant&animal,is a inhabitable earth for it.Evolution has always been process of improvement of "planet" model.Big smileIt is an old topic but magnificent idea.If you want i can start again new topic.Let us talk about it..
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What is perhaps even more freaky is the parasitic life that can influence/control the brains of 'more advanced' creatures including us..

Are things like Toxoplasmoids or various cancers - actually/really the subtle/visible 3rd dimensional artefacts of entities from the 5th dimension, (or farther dimensions) of space, preying on us?
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Have bacterias using viruses developed all living world in space?!?That's the right question.If you want to speak about it just open new topic j.a.w.I send you invitation "gauntlet" in your face. Regards.Smile

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Duel at dawn? I demand satisfaction! L.O.L...

There is a subject in what you suggest M,& I'll give it some thought.
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