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    Posted: 01-Mar-2007 at 22:35
Hi, i am from Afghanistan, i have a heard a lot of indians claiming that afghanistan was part of india once, now it might be true that some indian empire might have had a small part of present day afghan land but how does that make afghanistan part of india ?, even most of western pakistan was almost never part india. i get pissed of at this claim. Afghans and indians are very different people, in culture, looks, language etc..., its time we get this fact straight.
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"Akhund Bharat", its called. Just ignore them.
 
Most of Pakistan has never been part of India.
 
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  Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Mar-2007 at 03:46
Mughal Empire.

Babur from his kingdom in Kabul invaded India, most of Afghanistan remained part of the Mughal Empire under his decendents as well. So in reality India was a part of Afghanistan. (or at least most of the subcontient)

(not to mention the whole Ahmed Shah Durrani incident)


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Dear Omar,
 
Most invaders of India never wanted to leave India, such is its beauty. Babur invaded Indian territories but settled in India. He never went back to Kabul to rule nor made it his Capital. Even Alexander when he invaded a border territory of India (and assumed what India could really be) made friends with Indian Kings such as Chandra Gupta Maurya. He left back his senior most general Selucas whose daughter Chandra Gupta Maurya married. As Selucas Nicator was in charge of Alexander's kingdom including persia, after Selucas's death Chandra Gupta Maurya annexed the region to his Empire, thus extending it upto Persia (Remember the Bahmian Budhas is Afghanistan, later destroyed by Taliban).
 
India expands not by wars but by cultural harmony. Samudragupta Maurya, whose kingdom is considered to be one of the largest (extended till far east) could geographically have been the largest of all times. Far Eastern Incriptions speak about Samudra Gupta, yet no bloody wars were reported.
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Dear Omar,
 
Most invaders of India never wanted to leave India, such is its beauty. Babur invaded Indian territories but settled in India. He never went back to Kabul to rule nor made it his Capital. Even Alexander when he invaded a border territory of India (and assumed what India could really be) made friends with Indian Kings such as Chandra Gupta Maurya. He left back his senior most general Selucas whose daughter Chandra Gupta Maurya married. As Selucas Nicator was in charge of Alexander's kingdom including persia, after Selucas's death Chandra Gupta Maurya annexed the region to his Empire, thus extending it upto Persia (Remember the Bahmian Budhas is Afghanistan, later destroyed by Taliban).
 
India expands not by wars but by cultural harmony. Samudragupta Maurya, whose kingdom is considered to be one of the largest (extended till far east) could geographically have been the largest of all times. Far Eastern Incriptions speak about Samudra Gupta, yet no bloody wars were reported.
How far did Gupta expand his empire in ancient Persia ?
 
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i dont think he actually got far as persia, maybe south afghanistan but even that is debatable.
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Chandragupta Maurya took roughly Afgahnistan's modern day Pakhtun belt. Samudra Gupta (who existed centuries later) only had a small part of Pakistani Sindh.
 
 
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1) There is a small mistake in my earlier post. Samudragupt I have mentioned is not a Maurya, or rather a Gupta. The second king in the Gupta Lineage.

2) As far as Chandragupta Maurya's empire is concerned, It should have logically contained parts of Persia, atleast for a brief period after Selucas. I have attached below a photograph of approximate mauryan empire (pre Ashoka since Kalinga is still a foreign territory according to this picture.)

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Originally posted by Ashwin

Most invaders of India never wanted to leave India, such is its beauty. Babur invaded Indian territories but settled in India. He never went back to Kabul to rule nor made it his Capital. Even Alexander when he invaded a border territory of India (and assumed what India could really be) made friends with Indian Kings such as Chandra Gupta Maurya. He left back his senior most general Selucas whose daughter Chandra Gupta Maurya married. As Selucas Nicator was in charge of Alexander's kingdom including persia, after Selucas's death Chandra Gupta Maurya annexed the region to his Empire, thus extending it upto Persia (Remember the Bahmian Budhas is Afghanistan, later destroyed by Taliban).

Most invaders never wanted to leave india? I wouldn't push it that far. All the mughal emperors wanted to rule for samarkand, but couldn't as they didn't control it. I think it was Shah Jehan (maybe Jehengir) who moved the capital to Kabul for several years. And the words Babur used to describe India were not exactly nice.
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Dear Omar,

Babur probably for the first time came into Indian territory (current) a few months before 1526. He waged a fierce battle of panipat in Febaurary 1526 to claim the sear of North Indian Sultanate. Then, he was many a times advised to go back to Kabul (his gained capital). He preferred to stay and fight the Rajputs for the next couple of years inspite of his restless army and self confessed love for Kabul and Samarkand. He died in 1530. His entire foray of activities in India was only for four years.

In his biography he repeatedly mentions about going back to Kabul and his dislike for India (which he never did, nor did any king in his dynasty). He probably disliked India because of its heat, which (in his own words) could not take. He was born in kazakhstan and brought up as a Turk, where he experienced better climatic conditions than the extremes of Northern India (including today's pakistan). That was the reason he developed gardens whereever he travelled. Inspite of all odds, he never once visited Kabul or Persia after he came to India.

I do not see records of Shah Jahan moving his capital to Kabul. However, Humayun retreated to Kabul for a few years from 1543 to 1546 after being defeated by Sher Shah Suri. But Shah Jahan did lose Kandahar and Kabul to Persians.
 
Incidentally, starting Humayun, no Mughal emperor wanted to go back to central asia. They did travel between Agra and Lahore to safe guard their territories. And starting from Akbar (who was the first Mughal emperor to be born in India/Pakistan) three emperors married Rajput wifes and both Jahangir and Shah Jahan's mothers were Rajputs. This shows more of their idea of "settling" down in India rather than moving out.
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i have heard this he didn't like india because even back then there was lot of poverty in india. i heard he loved kashmir though, inface kashmir was the favourite place for the mughals.
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I do not see records of Shah Jahan moving his capital to Kabul. However, Humayun retreated to Kabul for a few years from 1543 to 1546 after being defeated by Sher Shah Suri. But Shah Jahan did lose Kandahar and Kabul to Persians.

Shah Jehan held his court in Kabul for two years (1637-1639), while he pursued offensive campaigns in Central Asia.
Incidentally, starting Humayun, no Mughal emperor wanted to go back to central asia. They did travel between Agra and Lahore to safe guard their territories. And starting from Akbar (who was the first Mughal emperor to be born in India/Pakistan) three emperors married Rajput wifes and both Jahangir and Shah Jahan's mothers were Rajputs. This shows more of their idea of "settling" down in India rather than moving out.

The Mughals did settle down in India, although they still wanted to rule central asia as well. This is evident in Shah Jehans campaigns, as well as the emphasis on retaining Kabul as part of the empire. Babur invaded india to use it as a foothold to continue his campaigns in Central asia, and this thought pattern persisted through the other major emperors.
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Please the Mughals remained  Central Asian till at least Aurengzebs time. He was the first Emperor more concerned with India than with Afgahnistan or Central Asia (though if memory serves he did campaign there).
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The Kabul and Jabul was part of Great Gujjar Pratihar Empire and it was lost when various Gujjar fuetaories including the rulers of their own clan like Chauhans,Chandellas,Solankis,Parmars,Guhilas asserted their independence after the death of Emperor Devpal in AD 954.
In that situation the frontiers were left un-supported and taken over by Turkic slaves of persian empire like Gaznavis.
 
Here is the details how Kabul and Jabul went in to control of persin empire.
 

The Arab invasion of Sindh started soon after their first two naval expeditions against Thana on the coast of Maharashtra and Broach on the coast of Gujarat, had been repulsed in the reign of Caliph Umar (AD 634-644). The expedition against Debal in Sindh met the same fate The leader of the Arab army, Mughairah, was defeated and killed.4 Umar decided to send another army by land against Makran which was at that time a part of the kingdom of Sindh. But he was advised by the governor of Iraq that he should think no more of Hind.5 The next Caliph, Usman (AD 646-656), followed the same advice and refrained from sending any expedition against Sindh, either by land or by sea. The fourth Caliph, Ali (AD 656-661), sent an expedition by land in AD 660. But the leader of this expedition and those who were with him, saving a few, were slain in the land of Kikan in the year AH 42 (AD 662). Thus the four pious Caliphs of Islam died without hearing the news of a victory over Sindh or Hind.

Muawiyah, the succeeding Caliph (AD 661-680), sent as many as six expeditions by land. All of them were repulsed with great slaughter except the last one which succeeded in occupying Makran in AD 680. For the next 28 years, the Arabs did not dare send another army against Sindh. The next expedition was despatched to take Debal in AD 708. Its two successive commanders, Ubaidullah and Budail, were killed and the Arab army was routed. When Hajjaj, the governor of Iraq, asked the Caliph for permission to send another expedition, the Caliph wrote back: This affair will be a source of great anxiety and so we must put it off, for every time an army goes, [vast] numbers of Mussalmans are killed.  So think no more of such a design.6

But Hajjaj was a very tenacious imperialist. He spent the next four years in equipping an army more formidable than any which had so far been sent against Sindh. While sending off his nephew as well as son-in-law, Muhammad bin Qasim, with this army in AD 712, Hajjaj said: I swear by Allah that I am determined to spend the whole wealth of Iraq, that is in my possession, on this expedition.7 Muhammad was successful in overcoming the fierce resistance he met at every step in his progress through Sindh. By AD 713 he had occupied the whole of this province as well as Multan. He was helped to a certain extent by the treachery of some merchants and local governors at a few places. But as soon as he was recalled in AD 714, the people of India rebelled, and threw off their yoke, and the country from Debalpur to the Salt Sea only remained under the dominions of the Khalifa.8 This was only a narrow coastal strip.

Subsequently, the Islamic armies reconquered Sindh, and advanced through Rajputana upto Ujjain in the east and Broach in the south. But the success of the Arab armies was short-lived. Their advance to the south was signally checked by the Chalukya ruler of Lat (S. Gujarat), Pulakesin Avani-Janasraya. The Navasari inscription (A.D. 738) records that Pulakesin defeated a Tajika (Arab) army which had defeated the kingdoms of Sindhu, Cutch, Saurashtra, Cavotaka, Maurya and Gurjara and advanced as far south as Navasari where this prince was ruling at this time. The princes heroic victory earned him the titles of solid Pillar of Dakshinapatha (Dakshinapatha-sadhata) and the Repeller of the Unrepellable (Anivarttaka-nivartayi). The Gwalior inscription of the Gurjara-Pratihar King, Bhoja I, tells us that Nagabhatta I, the founder of the family who ruled in Avanti (Malwa) around A.D. 725, defeated the army of a powerful Mlechha ruler who invaded his dominions.9 The Gurjara-Pratiharas were known to the Arab historians as kings of Jurz. Referring to one of these kings, an Arab historian wrote that Among the princes of India there is no greater foe of the Mohammaden faith than he.10

The Arabs also made advances to the north of Sindh into the Punjab and towards Kashmir. Here they were blocked and driven back by Lalitaditya Muktapida (AD 724-760) of Kashmir. He was in alliance with Yasovarman of Central India. He is said to have ordered the Turushkas to shave off half of their heads as a symbol of their submission. Dr. Misra cites Biladhuri who wrote that the Mussalmans retired from several parts of India and left some of their positions, nor have they upto the present advanced so far as in days gone by.11 And he mourned, The people of India returned to idolatry with the exception of the inhabitants of Qasbah. A place of refuge to which the Moslems might flee was not to be found, so he [Arab governor] built on the further side of the lake, where it borders on al-Hind, a city which he named at-Mahfuzah [the protected] establishing it as a place of refuge for them, where they should be secure and making it a capital.12

Arab travellers to India of the 10th century all speak of only two independent Arab principalities with Multan and Mansurah as their capitals. The Pratihara kings waged constant war against the Arab prince of Multan, and with the Mussalmans, his subjects on the frontier. Multan would have been lost by the Arabs but for a Hindu temple. Dr. Misra quotes Al-Istakhri who wrote about AD 951 that in Multan there is an idol held in great veneration by the Hindus and every year people from distant parts undertake pilgrimages to it When the Indians make war upon them and endeavour to seize the idol, the inhabitants [Arabs] bring it out pretending that they will break it and burn it. Upon this the Indians retire, otherwise they would destroy Multan. Finally, he observes: Thus after three centuries of unremitting effort, we find the Arab dominion in India limited to two petty states of Multan and Mansurah. And here, too, they could exist only after renouncing their iconoclastic zeal and utilizing the idols for their own political ends. It is a very strange sight to see them seeking shelter behind the very budds, they came here to destroy.13

It has to be kept in mind all along that the Arab empire in this period was the mightiest power on earth. Compared to this monolithic and highly militarised giant, the Hindu principalities of Sindh and other border areas were no better than pygmies. Yet the pygmies had the last laugh at the end of the 10th century when the Islamised Turks took over from the Arabs the Islamic crusade against Sind and Hind. It was the old story of Alexander and the small republics of the Punjab and Sindh, all over again.
 

INSIDE STORY OF ARAB LIBERALISM

Dr. Misra concludes his chapter on Sindh with a very meaningful note. From a political or missionary point of view, he writes, the Arab conquest of Sindh was certainly a minor affair. The Arab conquest of other countries, outside India, had been followed by wholesale conversions and supplanting of local institutions by Islamic ones The Islamic law had divided unbelievers into two classes, viz., the People of the Book (Ahl-i-Kitb), the possessors of Scriptures - the Jews and the Christians - and the idolaters. The former were not to be lawfully molested in any way so long as they accepted the rule of the conquerors and paid the Jezia. But for the idolaters, the choice was between Islam and death. In Central Asia, the idolaters had been rooted out. But this experiment failed in Sindh as Islam was confronted with a faith which, though idolatrous, defied death and looked at life in this world as one link in the eternal chain of births and deaths. The experiment was only tried at Debal where the temples were demolished and mosques founded; a general massacre endured for three days, prisoners were taken captive; plunder was amassed. Thus under compulsion of events, the stem code of Islam was relaxed, the Hindus were allowed to rebuild their temples and perform their worship and the three per cent which had been allowed to the priests under the former government was not discontinued.14

Many historians, particularly the apologists for Islam, have presented this expediency as a proof of Islamic liberalism under the early Arabs. They have contrasted this Arab liberalism with the fanaticism of the Turks who joined the fold of Islam at a later stage. Dr. Misra does not make this mistake. He has laid bare the true motivation at the back of this liberalism, and thus restored the perspective on the plasticity of Islamic polity in the over-all framework of the fundamental Islamic law regarding treatment of non-believers. The mullahs and sufis of Islam might have howled over this dilution of the dogma. But the military and political leaders always knew when and where to make a compromise in the interests of self-preservation, and till the next stage of aggrandisement arrived in the vicissitudes of war. Lenin has also exhorted the party to know exactly when to practise tactics of retreat. Islam, after all, is Communism plus Allah, as Allami Iqbal has observed so aptly.
 

HEROIC DEFENCE OF KABUL AND ZABUL

The same story was repeated by the Hindu kingdoms of Kabul (Kapisa) and Zabul (Jabal) which lay to the north-west of Sindh, and which the Islamic armies had started attacking soon after they annexed Khorasan in AD 643. It was in AD 650 that the first Islamic army penetrated deep into Zabul by way of Seistan, which at that time was a part of India territorially as well as culturally. The struggle was grim and prolonged. The Islamic army suffered heavy losses. In the final round, the invader was defeated and driven out.

Another attack followed in AD 653. The Arab general, Abdul Rahman, was able to conquer Zabul and levy tribute from Kabul. The king of Kabul, however, proved desultory in paying regularly what the Arabs thought to be their due. Finally, another Arab general, Yazid ibn Ziyad who had been the governor of Seistan for some time, attempted retribution in AD 683. He was killed by the Hindus, and his army was put to flight with great slaughter. The Arabs lost Seistan also, and had to pay 5,00,000 dirhams to get one of their generals, Abu Ubaida, released.

But the Arabs, inspired as they were by an imperialist ideology, did not give up. They recovered Seistan some time before AD 692. Its new governor, Abdullah, invaded Kabul. The Hindus trapped the Arab army in the mountain passes after allowing it to advance unopposed for some distance. Abdullah agreed to cease hostilities, and the king of Kabul agreed to renew payment of an annual tribute. But the treaty was denounced by the Caliph who dismissed Abdullah. The war against Kabul was renewed in AD 695 when Hajjaj became the governor of Iraq. He sent an army under Ubaidullah, the new governor of Seistan. Ubaidullah was defeated and forced to retreat after leaving his three sons as hostages and promising that he shall not fight as long as he was governor.15 Once again, the treaty was denounced by the Caliph, and another general, Shuraih, tried to advance upon Kabul. He was killed by the Hindus, and his army suffered huge losses as it retreated through the desert of Bust. Poor Ubaidullah died of grief. That was the third round won by the Hindu kingdom of Kabul.

In the next round, Hajjaj commissioned Abdul Rahman once again. He made some conquests but could not consolidate his hold. Hajjaj threatened to supersede him. Abdul Rahman revolted and entered into a treaty with the Hindu king to carry arms against his master.16 The treaty did not work, and Abdul Rahman committed suicide. The Hindu king, however, continued the war. Masudi, the Arab historian, makes mention of a prince in the valley of the Indus who after having subjugated Eastern Persia, advanced to the bank of the Tigris and Euphrates.17 Hajjaj had to make peace according to which the Hindu king was entitled to keep his kingdom in exchange for an annual tribute. The Hindu king, however, stopped payment in the reign of Caliph Sulayman (AD 715-717). Some attempts to force him into submission were made in the reign of Caliph Al-Mansur (AD 745-775). But they met with only partial success, and we find the Hindus ruling over Kabul and Zabul in the year AD 867. The Arabs had failed once again to conquer finally another small Hindu principality, in spite of their being the mightiest power on earth. The struggle had lasted for more than two hundred years.

The kingdom of Kabul suffered a temporary eclipse in AD 870 but not on account of the Arabs, nor as a result of a clash of arms. The Turkish adventurer, Yaqub bin Layth, who started his career as a robber in Seistan and later on founded the Saffarid dynasty of Persia, sent a message to the king of Kabul that he wanted to come and pay his homage. The king was deceived into welcoming Yaqub and a band of the latters armed followers in the court at Kabul. Yaqub bowed his head as if to do homage but he raised the lance and thrust it into the back of Rusal so that he died on the spot. A Turkish army then invaded the Hindu kingdoms of both Kabul and Zabul. The king of Zabul was killed in the battle, and the population was converted to Islam by force. That was a permanent loss to India. But the succeeding Hindu king of Kabul who had meanwhile transferred his capital to Udbhandapur on the Indus, recovered Kabul after the Saffarid dynasty declined. Masudi who visited the Indus Valley in AD 915 designates the prince who ruled at Kabul by the same title as he held when the Arabs penetrated for the first time into this region.18

The Hindus lost Kabul for good only in the closing decade of the 10th century. In AD 963 Alaptigin, a Turkish slave of the succeeding Samanid dynasty, had been able to establish an independent Muslim principality in Kabul with his seat at Ghazni. It was his general and successor, Subuktigin, who conquered Kabul after a struggle spread over two decades. The Hindus under king Jayapala of Udbhandapur made a bold bid to recapture Kabul in AD 986-987. A confederate Hindu army to which the Rajas of Delhi, Ajmer, Kalinjar and Kanauj has contributed troops and money, advanced into the heartland of the Islamic kingdom of Ghazni. According to Utbi, the battle lasted several days and the warriors of Subuktigin, including prince Mahmood, were reduced to despair. But a snow-storm and rains upset the plans of Jayapala who opened negotiations for peace. He sent the following message to Subuktigin: You have heard and know the nobleness of Indians - they fear not death or destruction In affairs of honour and renown we would place ourselves upon the fire like roast meat, and upon the dagger like the sunrays.19 But the peace thus concluded proved temporary. The Muslims resumed the offensive and the Hindus were defeated and driven out of Kabul. Dr. Mishra concludes with the comment that Jayapala was perhaps the last Indian ruler to show such spirit of aggression, so sadly lacking in later Rajput kings.

 
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The Other borders of Gujjar Empire included Pratihar Raj Pur (Near Dhaka, in present day Bangla Desh)) in the east and Karnataka in the south.

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Gandhari, mother of Duryodhana hails from Gandhara and the history of Gandhara is intimately connected with India. It has been part of India under many Indian Kings, till it was invaded, raided and changed.
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I think Gandahar had been part of Persia for much more time than you can compare with Indian domination era.  

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  Quote M. Nachiappan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Mar-2007 at 04:37

The date of Gandhari as I mentioned belongs to c.3100 BCE correlating with the date of Mahabharat war.

 

The date of Persian empire falls around c.800 period onwards.

 

The Mahabharat tradition explains the names. So accordingly, with the Persian tradition, whether it could be possible?

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  Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Mar-2007 at 20:40
AP SIngh, most of your post is not relevant to the current topic, and Kabul was ruled by independent Shahis that were not under the control of the Gujjar Pratihars (except possibly indirect control at some stage)
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  Quote AP Singh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Mar-2007 at 03:33
Hi Mr. Omar Al Hashim,
I would like pin point the evidences which shows that Kabul was under direct control of Gujjar Pratihars.
 
1. The Shahis were the fuedatories of Gujjar Pratihars who became independence when other Gujjar fuedatories aasserted their independence like Chadellas ( A clan of Gujjars) of Kalinjar, Chauhans ( another clan of Gujjars) of Ajmer and Delhi ( By that time the Delhi was taken by Gujjar Chauhans from Gujjar Tanwars). After the death of Gujjar Pratihar king Devpal in 1954, these fuedatories became equal in power to the Gujjar Pratihars of Kannuaj. The Shahis were non Gujjar fuedatories of Gujjar Pratihars and the king Jaypala of this dynasty was  supported  by these new divided powers of various Gujjar clan which is shown in my earlier post:-
"The Hindus under king Jayapala of Udbhandapur made a bold bid to recapture Kabul in AD 986-987. A confederate Hindu army to which the Rajas of Delhi, Ajmer, Kalinjar and Kanauj has contributed troops and money, advanced into the heartland of the Islamic kingdom of Ghazni. According to Utbi, the battle lasted several days and the warriors of Subuktigin, including prince Mahmood, were reduced to despair. But a snow-storm and rains upset the plans of Jayapala who opened negotiations for peace. He sent the following message to Subuktigin: You have heard and know the nobleness of Indians - they fear not death or destruction In affairs of honour and renown we would place ourselves upon the fire like roast meat, and upon the dagger like the sunrays.19 But the peace thus concluded proved temporary. The Muslims resumed the offensive and the Hindus were defeated and driven out of Kabul. Dr. Mishra concludes with the comment that Jayapala was perhaps the last Indian ruler to show such spirit of aggression, so sadly lacking in later Rajput kings.
 
2. Before the death of last Emperor Devpal it was Gujjar armies themselves who were in direct control of the area and the situation that time was obviously entirely different which is evident from the various Arab scholars as follows:
Arab travellers to India of the 10th century all speak of only two independent Arab principalities with Multan and Mansurah as their capitals. The Gurjara Pratihara kings waged constant war against the Arab prince of Multan, and with the Mussalmans, his subjects on the frontier. Multan would have been lost by the Arabs but for a Hindu temple. Dr. Misra quotes Al-Istakhri who wrote about AD 951 that in Multan there is an idol held in great veneration by the Hindus and every year people from distant parts undertake pilgrimages to it When the Indians make war upon them and endeavour to seize the idol, the inhabitants [Arabs] bring it out pretending that they will break it and burn it. Upon this the Indians retire, otherwise they would destroy Multan. Finally, he observes: Thus after three centuries of unremitting effort, we find the Arab dominion in India limited to two petty states of Multan and Mansurah. And here, too, they could exist only after renouncing their iconoclastic zeal and utilizing the idols for their own political ends. It is a very strange sight to see them seeking shelter behind the very budds, they came here to destroy.
 
Now a days also there are more than 50 lakhs Gujjars of various gotras like Chauhans, Bharana, Khatana, Bajar ( All sub clan of Gujjar Pratihars) in NWFP area of Pakinstan and almost equal number residing in bordering Afghanistan. They all speak Gojari ( Similar to the language spoken in present day Malwa and Mewar region of India) which shows that these warriors were placed there from these areas to protect the frontiers. Some of them called Ajars, as in persian language the Gujjars were called as Al- Juzrs.
 
 
   
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