A rather unknown, great military leader

vulcan02
Your didn't offer anything to this discussion than problems, so please allow us to discuss it as we like since your comments not only are totally off topic but are totally ignorant.
Read the damn letter again.

Isk.
You my friend spoke of convenience and intention. So please accept the entire letter.
What on earth do you mean by I know who you'd support to be the population???
Anything than what has been proved by historians archeologists and anthropology is simply stupid. Texts and scientists have concluded that the population of Epirus, the Mollosians to be exact, were Hellines, but you dare claim the opposite???

You dared to name me a nationalist (as an insult) as if you knew the very meaning.  Man you're nothing more than a deluted propagandist.

OK, let's end this here, have evrything, claim GEORGIOS KASTRIOTIS, claim Bouboulina, claim Kolokotronis, claim Alexander and fight with those Bulgari-Slavs about it, hell you can even claim Homer as you beloved Hoxha has. The scientific community knows that you are nothing more than an invented bad joke.

I'm literally out of here.


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claim Bouboulina, claim Kolokotronis, claim Alexander and fight with those Bulgari-Slavs about it, hell you can even claim Homer as you beloved Hoxha has.

Phallanx.

Have I EVER, EVER claimed Alex, Kolokotronis, or Bouboulina or even Homer? Can you find one single comment I hav ever made that stated them as Albanians? You can search through 3 million forums and will NEVER find those words connected with one another in my sentences. I have more dignity then that. You want to site Hoxha now? The man was a joke, point and simple and we were a small people who fell into his arms. And how is he our beloved? I'm pretty sure he was never the beloved of my family when he had my grandfather emprisoned and beaten for having a political mind. Im sure he was not "beloved" to there rest of my countrymen when they gathered around Scanderbeg Square and torn down his statue in such mass excitement and happiness. We were never the ones to print out money with Thessolonike on it, or think of creating statues of Alexander or Pyrrhus, people who I have stated were clearly hellenistic figures. So next time, try not making assumptions about a community by basing them on web pages.

Finally, what was with capitolizing Kastriotis. Was it because you believed that somehow capitolizing, bolding or enlarging a certain sentence, name etc would make me angry?

Texts and scientists have concluded that the population of Epirus, the Mollosians to be exact, were Hellines, but you dare claim the opposite??? You dared to name me a nationalist (as an insult) as if you knew the very meaning.  Man you're nothing more than a deluted propagandist.

So now Im a deluted propagandist for quoting somebody else? Your stating that because in antiquity the population was one thing it has to be so thereafter. I do not deny that the history of Epirus was tied to the Hellenes. But I also believe that it is very likely that at some point it began to be mixed with Albanians.

 

 

 

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Gibbon's History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, London 1776- 1778, Of Scanderbeg, Gibbon had written:

"In the list of heroes, John Huniades and Scanderbeg are commonly associated, and they are both entitled to our notice, since their occupation of the Ottoman arms delayed the ruin of the Greek empire. John Castriot, the father of Scanderbeg, was the hereditary prince of a small district of Epirus or Albania, between the mountains and the Adriatic Sea. Unable to contend with the sultan's power, Castriot submitted to the hard conditions of peace and tribute: he delivered his four sons as the pledges of his fidelity; and the Christian youths, after receiving the mark of circumcision, were instructed in the Mahometan religion, and trained in the arms and arts of Turkish policy. The three elder
brothers were confounded in the crowd of slaves; and the poison to which their deaths are ascribed cannot be verified or disproved by any positive evidence. Yet the suspicion is in a great measure removed by the kind and paternal treatment of George Castriot, the fourth brother, who, from his tender youth, displayed the strength and spirit of a soldier. The successive overthrow of a Tartar and two Persians, who carried a proud defiance to the Turkish court, recommended him to the favor of Amurath, and his Turkish appellation of Scanderbeg (Iskender beg), or the lord Alexander, is an indelible memorial of his glory and servitude. His father's principality was reduced into a province; but the loss was compensated by the rank and title of Sanjiak, a command of five thousand horses, and the prospect of the first dignities of the empire. He served with honor in the wars of Europe and Asia; and we may smile at the art or credulity of the historian, who supposes, that in every encounter he spared the Christians, while he fell with a thundering
arm on his Mussulman foes. The glory of Huniades is without reproach: he fought in the defence of his religion and country; but the enemies who applaud the patriot, have branded his rival with the name of traitor and apostate. In the eyes of the Christians, the rebellion of Scanderbeg is justified by his father's wrongs, the ambiguous death of his three brothers, his own degradation, and the slavery of his country; and they adore the generous, though tardy, zeal, with which he asserted the faith and independence of his ancestors. But he had imbibed from his ninth year the doctrines of the Koran: he was ignorant of the Gospel; the religion of a soldier is determined by authority and habit; nor is it easy to conceive what new illumination at the age of forty could be poured into his soul. His motives would be less exposed to the suspicion of interest or revenge, had he broken his chain from the moment that he was sensible of its weight: but a long oblivion has surely impaired his original right; and every year of obedience and reward had cemented the mutual bond of the sultan and his subject. If Scanderbeg had long harbored the belief of Christianity and the intention of revolt, a worthy mind must condemn the base dissimulation, that could serve only to betray, that could promise only to be forsworn, that could actively join in the temporal and spiritual perdition of so many thousands of his unhappy brethren. Shall we praise a secret correspondence with Huniades, while he commanded the vanguard of the Turkish army? Shall we excuse the desertion of his standard, a treacherous desertion which abandoned the victory to the enemies of his benefactor? In the confusion of a defeat, the eye of Scanderbeg was fixed on the Reis Effendi, or principal secretary: with the dagger at his breast, he extorted a firman or patent for the government of Albania; and the murder of the guiltless scribe and his train prevented the consequences of an immediate discovery. With some bold companions, to whom he had revealed his design, he escaped in the night, by rapid marches, from the field of battle to his paternal mountains. The gates of Croya were opened to the royal mandate; and no sooner did he command the fortress, than George Castriot dropped the mask of dissimulation; abjured the prophet and the sultan, and proclaimed himself the avenger of his family and country. The names of religion and liberty provoked a general revolt: the Albanians, a martial race, were unanimous to live and die with their hereditary prince; and the Ottoman garrisons were indulged in the choice of martyrdom or baptism. In the assembly of the states of Epirus, Scanderbeg was elected general of the Turkish war; and each of the allies engaged to furnish his respective proportion of men and money. From these contributions, from his patrimonial estate, and from the valuable salt-pits of Selina, he drew an annual revenue of two hundred thousand ducats; and the entire sum, exempt from the demands of luxury, was strictly appropriated to the public use. His manners were popular; but his discipline was severe; and every superfluous vice was banished from his camp: his example strengthened his command; and under his conduct the Albanians were invincible in their own opinion and that of their enemies. The bravest adventurers of France and Germany were allured by his fame and retained in his service: his standing militia consisted of eight thousand horse and seven thousand foot: the horses were small, the men were active; but he viewed with a discerning eye the difficulties and resources of the mountains; and, at the blaze of the beacons, the whole nation was distributed in the strongest posts. With such unequal arms Scanderbeg resisted twenty- three years the powers of the Ottoman empire; and two conquerors, Amurath the Second, and his greater son, were repeatedly baffled by a rebel, whom they pursued with seeming contempt and implacable resentment. At the head of sixty thousand horse and forty thousand Janizaries, Amurath entered Albania: he might ravage the open country, occupy the defenceless towns, convert the churches into mosques, circumcise the Christian youths, and punish with death his adult and obstinate captives: but the conquests of the sultan were confined
to the petty fortress of Sfetigrade; and the garrison, invincible to his arms, was oppressed by a paltry artifice and a superstitious scruple. Amurath retired with shame and loss from the walls of Croya, the castle and residence of the Castriots; the march, the siege, the retreat, were harassed by a vexatious, and almost invisible, adversary; and the disappointment might tend to imbitter, perhaps shorten, the last days of the sultan. In the fulness of conquest, Mahomet the Second still felt at his bosom this domestic thorn: his
lieutenants were permitted to negotiate a truce; and the Albanian prince may justly be praised as a firm and able champion of his national independence. The enthusiasm of chivalry and religion has ranked him with the names of Alexander and Pyrrhus; nor would they blush to acknowledge their intrepid countryman: but his narrow dominion, and slender power, must leave him at an humble distance below the heroes of antiquity,
who triumphed over the East and the Roman legions. His splendid achievements, the bashaws whom he encountered, the armies that he discomfited, and the three thousand
Turks who were slain by his single hand, must be weighed in the scales of suspicious criticism. Agaian illiterate enemy, and in the dark solitude of Epirus, his partial biographers may safely indulge the latitude of romance: but their fictions are exposed by
the light of Italian history; and they afford a strong presumption against their own truth, by a fabulous tale of his exploits, when he passed the Adriatic with eight hundred horse to the succor of the king of Naples. Without disparagement to his fame, they might have
owned, that he was finally oppressed by the Ottoman powers: in his extreme danger he applied to Pope Pius the Second for a refuge in the ecclesiastical state; and his resources were almost exhausted, since Scanderbeg died a fugitive at Lissus, on the Venetian
territory. His sepulchre was soon violated by the Turkish conquerors; but the Janizaries, who wore his bones encased in a bracelet, declared by this superstitious amulet their involuntary reverence for his valor. The instant ruin of his country may redound to the hero's glory; yet, had he balanced the consequences of submission and resistance, a
patriot perhaps would have declined the unequal contest which must depend on the life and genius of one man. Scanderbeg might indeed be supported by the rational, although fallacious, hope, that the pope, the king of Naples, and the Venetian republic, would join in the defence of a free and Christian people, who guarded the sea-coast of the Adriatic, and the narrow passage from Greece to Italy. His infant son was saved from the national shipwreck; the Castriots were invested with a Neapolitan dukedom, and their blood continues to flow in the noblest families of the realm. A colony of Albanian fugitives obtained a settlement in Calabria, and they preserve at this day the language and manners
of their ancestors16."

16 cf. Gibbon, vol. 5, p. 401-406.

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I think your talking about Timur... George Kastrioti was certainly not a Turk...

1.  think your talking about Timur... George Kastrioti was certainly not a Turk...
   
   

oh PLEASE,, HE WAS A turk all right

AAAAAAA, hahahahahah

 

where do you came up with this kind of sh*t

Originally posted by Tughrul_Beg oh PLEASE,, HE WAS A turk all right AAAAAAA, hahahahahah   where do you came up with this kind of sh*t

You first few posts in this forum, are nothing but chlidish posts and insults of other members. This is an official warning, take it as an opportunity to change your ways. That is of course if you want to stay in this forum.

PS

While you're pondering on that, change your signature as well!

Who is ruling Cyprus at this time?

Why is Armenia so far down from current Armenia?

Any new information on Trebizond?

Originally posted by strategos Who is ruling Cyprus at this time?

House of Lusignan, Crusader kingdom

Why is Armenia so far down from current Armenia?

many Armenians have migrated downwards and durign the Crusades have established their own state in Cilicia called little Armenia. it was at first vassal of the byzantines but heavyily influenced by the other Crusader states.

Any new information on Trebizond?

don't know what you mean...

Originally posted by TheodoreFelix His ethnicity is "officially" half serb and Albanian but the serb part is also questionable as Viosvodina(his mother) came from an heavily Albanian populated area and the slavs and albanians there intermixed. So she was also likely part albanian.

Her name was Vojislava.It's 100%  serbian(south slavic) name.As for her ancestors-certainly she had some non-serb ancestry-after all, all south slavs are mostly of pre-slavic ''blood''-it's the culture that counts.

Originally posted by TheodoreFelix A brother of George Castriota Scanderbeg was Stanisha (Staniscia), who left a son Branilo.

 Stanisha???It's a very common name in serbia.Last name Stanishic is also very common.It's clearly of slavic origin-derived from stanovati-to inhabit,to live in. It could be also derived from other slavic words.However, it's unquestionably slavic-a few similar sounding names:Malisha, Radisha, Dragisha,Ljubisha...And Branilo is south-slavic name ,too.It is derived from braniti-to defend.So, we can  say Skenderbeg's mother was almost certainly serbian.As I said on previous threads:this doesn't make him  Serbian.

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