My take on origin of peoples in eastern asia.

 

Edited by MING-LOYALIST - 16-Feb-2007 at 10:02

tocharians are uighurs, or at least they assimilated Uighur nomads. If uighurs really originated from steppe and came to tarim basin 850 AD, then they most likely adopted local culture, as nomads practiced Shaman ,tocharians practiced buddhism. so the new built Uighur kingdoms in Turpan basin and Tarim basin was buddhist.there is no way that a Tocharians ,people who made such a glorious culture and agricultural based ones ,like after one night, gave up their tradition and adopt nomadic peoples culture, there is absolutely no such a thing in world history.But the opposite happened lot.

3.there are plenty of Tash balbals( stone man) all over the steppe,especially between the ili vally and altay mountain, technically north of Tengri mountains(tien shan), they are supposed to be made by ancient nomads( around 3-5 century AD even larger scale,according to estimations) but there is no such a thing in Turpan and Tarim basin.

Edited by oghuzkb - 16-Feb-2007 at 20:20

5. evidences from uncovered mummy sites.
comparison: First, lopnur uighurs, who are from the old city ruin---Kiroran, has lots of folk songs about their past, and those showing that they have been living there for ,at least several centuries, by fishing and planting. If anyone who go to eastern turkistan could easily find how local people are living there with such a harmony , the place which has very sensitive nose for any kind of pollution, or man made changes, they know so well about the temper of the desert. They never cut live trees. they plant trees with fruits, their stomach depends on fruit and bread( not milk and meat) and their places security depends on those trees( due to desert nature) .

the women mummies have long hairs which finely braided. this is a strong tradition among Uighur women, they used to leave long hair,usually meter long, and always finely braided.Considered sign of the womanness in the uighur society. more even, those mummies have tools which are still in use in southern uighurs.


Edited by oghuzkb - 16-Feb-2007 at 20:18

so the conclusion is, Tocharians, if this name really existed and representative of people long before in tarim basin, they did not disappeared. even they migrated somewhere else , certainly certain ratio was there and two possibilities: 1. nomad uighurs assimilated them( due to their cultural content and strength=? unlikely), so they merged among uighurs, eventually they lost their identitiy.
or most likely,2. they are original uighurs( half nomad-half agricultaural or agricultural), later they partly  expand to northern steppe and after failure,came back to homeplace, so they shift very quickly to non-nomad type of style and practice their buddhism belief. otherwise its hard to believe that so called steppe uighurs came across tengri mountains and gave up their nomad style even there is high quality huge grassland just the neighbor of Turpan basin,called Bayinbulaq!

I don�t think so. look at the mongol, khazakh and kyrgiz people in eastern turkistan, how long they came there, but still they are nomadic people. they could have changed! why only Uighurs...  how come they(e.g. Tocharians) turkified ,

I don�t think there is enough fact that are against my words, the fact mainly we are referring are chinese sources, and those sources are highly doubtful! surely lot of mistakes there, we can refer but can�t 100% believe,

I think back that time at least, huns are purely nomadic

Originally posted by oghuzkb 6. tocharians described as red hair , blue eyed, white skin and hairy all over( chinese records them as monkey) look at the uighurs in tarim basin, they are really hairy, (in this sense, much like afghan people, thats the reason why one of the us film about afghanistan planned to take in Kashgar). and there  are certain ratio of blue eyes and brown or blondys.

Edited by AAZRAA - 18-Feb-2007 at 19:06

No,Uhygur and Hazaras are quite different form them.Uygurs are Turkic people and Hazaras are Turco-Mongol.