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    Posted: 15-Feb-2007 at 06:51
It seems the Estonian parliament has passed the law of removing the Soviet "Bronze soldier" monument from Tallinn, which is standing infront of the National library at the moment within 30 days of the passing of the law. Now it is up to president Ilves to have the final say in this, having the capability of vetoing the Parliaments decision if he sees the motion as un-constitutional.

Also, now several organized groupings have raised alarm of neo-nazism raising its revolting head in modern Europe (Estonia that is). First the Greek veterans of WW2, then the Belgian resistance fighters, and also the Russian Jews, who all sent letters to the prime minister pleading not to go along with this "fascist move" that many see it as.

Of course alot of noise is coming from Russia where some type of nationalist youth organization is calling all "anti-fascists" from all across the ex-Soviet Union to go to Estonia and try to defend the monument that they see as a symbol representing victory over nazism.

It looks to me that this thing has been going on since May last year and the Estonian politicians have been holding from any action until now (its election time, probably something to do with that), and Russia has had time to make much noise to raise the heads of the otherwise dozy Western-Europe in Baltic matters.

Any opinions? I don't think most European news broadcasts show the events here.
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  Quote Roberts Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Feb-2007 at 16:07
Originally posted by Kalevipoeg

It seems the Estonian parliament has passed the law of removing the Soviet "Bronze soldier" monument from Tallinn, which is standing infront of the National library at the moment within 30 days of the passing of the law. Now it is up to president Ilves to have the final say in this, having the capability of vetoing the Parliaments decision if he sees the motion as un-constitutional.

Well if this whole thing has got so far, than there is no reason for president Ilves to veto parliament's decision, otherwise he would lose support from parliament and certain part of Estonians.

Also, now several organized groupings have raised alarm of neo-nazism raising its revolting head in modern Europe (Estonia that is). First the Greek veterans of WW2, then the Belgian resistance fighters, and also the Russian Jews, who all sent letters to the prime minister pleading not to go along with this "fascist move" that many see it as.

These "old songs" about neo-nazism rising are getting really boring. It is obvious that these "organized groupings" know very little about  political situation particularly in Eastern Europe after second word war -  (Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, Finnish-Soviet war, double attack on Poland etc.). For them the only evil in WW2 was Nazi Germany, while many eastern European countries had two enemies.

Of course alot of noise is coming from Russia where some type of nationalist youth organization is calling all "anti-fascists" from all across the ex-Soviet Union to go to Estonia and try to defend the monument that they see as a symbol representing victory over nazism.

Russia(aka former Soviet Empire) likes to see itself as some kind of "liberator". The whole reaction is no surprise. I wish that Estonian government could hold its current line regarding this monument (Alyosha).



Btw didn't the Russians in Estonia threatened to burn down the forests if the monument would moved be away from its current place?




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  Quote Kalevipoeg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Feb-2007 at 05:38
Axeman said: "These "old songs" about neo-nazism rising are getting really boring. It is obvious that these "organized groupings" know very little about  political situation particularly in Eastern Europe after second word war -  (Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, Finnish-Soviet war, double attack on Poland etc.). For them the only evil in WW2 was Nazi Germany, while many eastern European countries had two enemies."

Well yea, Western Europe really hasn't learned history, its not just politics.

Axeman wrote: "Btw didn't the Russians in Estonia threatened to burn down the forests if the monument would moved be away from its current place?"

Haven't heard about that one Big%20smile. That would be rather uncivilized, now wouldn't it.
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  Quote Cryptic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Feb-2007 at 13:32
Could the existing monument simply incorperated into a larger and more tasteful  monument to Estonian victims of Stalinist (not Russian) repression?
 
That way the existing monument and grave of Russian soldiers stays undisturbed, but it is also displayed in a slightly different context.
 


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  Quote Kalevipoeg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2007 at 20:31
The president declared the removal law as unconstitutional, and the monument remains where it was.

There actually don't seem to be any graves there, as no battle ocurred near the Estonian capital, it was victimless.
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