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    Posted: 19-Feb-2007 at 16:03

the otoman empire did so much bad things to the balcan countries,that i don't thing any balcan country would realy axept them as balcans.The history is history however and as long as modern turkey is a democratic,wes-orientatet country,with democratic laws and not sheriat-it can be called european.
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Jagiello ;
 MY brother , i am also a Balcan immigrant living in Turkiye .
 I 'd ask you something about your assertion that implies " Turks tortured Balcanic countries / nations " .
 If Turks were tyrant invadors / occupants there ; Would they build Bridges , Khans , Hamams , Imarets , Mosques ...etc monuments instead of under-developed Anatolia - the motherland of Turks - ?
 
Turkiye is basically impressed by the innovative and revolutionarist thought of Enlightened Europe
 
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european countries teaching kids to be anti turk so they dont accept us as balcanian,euro. etc.(i dont care accept me as an asian).

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european countries teaching kids to be anti turk so they dont accept us as balcanian,euro. etc.(i dont care accept me as an asian).
 
Well, this might be a bit of a stereotype. Why would European countries be so preoccupied with Turkey as to direct their whole educational system towards anti-Turkism? Negative connations exist in popular thought--especially the Balkan countries who experienced Ottoman rule--but this falls far from official anti-Turkish propaganda.
 
  
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Originally posted by konstantinius

 
Well, this might be a bit of a stereotype. Why would European countries be so preoccupied with Turkey as to direct their whole educational system towards anti-Turkism? Negative connations exist in popular thought--especially the Balkan countries who experienced Ottoman rule--but this falls far from official anti-Turkish propaganda.
 
  


i didnt said that eu countries direct their WHOLE educational system towards anti turkism.
Every country needs to educate children as a nationalists.for do that they need to have a historical enemies.Turks are more suitable for this than other nations because they are non-christian and non-white who tried to conquer eu.
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Originally posted by the_oz

Originally posted by konstantinius

 
Well, this might be a bit of a stereotype. Why would European countries be so preoccupied with Turkey as to direct their whole educational system towards anti-Turkism? Negative connations exist in popular thought--especially the Balkan countries who experienced Ottoman rule--but this falls far from official anti-Turkish propaganda.
 
  


i didnt said that eu countries direct their WHOLE educational system towards anti turkism.
Every country needs to educate children as a nationalists.for do that they need to have a historical enemies.Turks are more suitable for this than other nations because they are non-christian and non-white who tried to conquer eu.


are you saying they direct some of their educational system to 'anti-turk-ism"?, if so show me where. This is just so I don't take your posts as individual speculation and guess work - rather than fact.

Not every country needs to raise their children as nationalists.Confused You will find it hard (maybe not impossible) to find a EU country that professes that type of 'other' based nationalism, otherwise the EU wouldn't exist.




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if you read history books which are shown at primary schools or high schools its written that turks are bloodthirsty and cruel people.also we all know that european kids grown with turcofobia.for exemple a known italian phrase "mama li turchi"explains what im saiyng.
 
the nationalism in EU not based on french,english,dutch nationalism.its based on superior white aryan nationalism.btw neo nazizm which is increasing day by day is an exemple of it.
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nazizim actually is a pan germanic idea not white.
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Nazism has also emphasized the Inferiority of White race , especially Jermanic races . ( Pan Germanic as you said )
 
No need to be an Anti Turk , before having an Experience in Turkiye ;)
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Originally posted by the_oz

if you read history books which are shown at primary schools or high schools its written that turks are bloodthirsty and cruel people.also we all know that european kids grown with turcofobia.for exemple a known italian phrase "mama li turchi"explains what im saiyng.
can you tell me about the actaull text books that say this?
 
and what is this 'we all know' business? no we dont...come on show me an example that goes beyond your baseless assumtions
 
Originally posted by the_oz

the nationalism in EU not based on french,english,dutch nationalism.its based on superior white aryan nationalism.btw neo nazizm which is increasing day by day is an exemple of it.
absolute rubbish.  
 
there is no such thing as EU nationalism, there is no EU 'nation'. Neo nazi's and that whole ugly ideology has nothing to do with the EU.
 
 


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Originally posted by Leonidas

can you tell me about the actaull text books that say this?
 
and what is this 'we all know' business? no we dont...come on show me an example that goes beyond your baseless assumtions


in turkish news we hear that there is a debate in greece these days about those anti turkish parts of history books.greek people started to understand that these parts increases hate against turks(except you lol).
 http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/385419.asp
sorry its hard for me to translate this news but it tells nearly what im saying.

Originally posted by Leonidas

absolute rubbish.  
 
there is no such thing as EU nationalism, there is no EU 'nation'. Neo nazi's and that whole ugly ideology has nothing to do with the EU.
 
 


sorry i wrote EU mistakely but i didnt meant european union i meant only europeans.im searching some site who are defending people from european race(or there are lots of words which they use aryan-white etc.)
they are not thinking like you.
most famous of them.
www.stormfront.org
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Greek may also confess something they say every day before entering school. In wich it stands "we will get constantinople back from those dogs".

I lost the original text and the translation of it but try to research.
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Originally posted by Leonidas

can you tell me about the actaull text books that say this?
 
and what is this 'we all know' business? no we dont...come on show me an example that goes beyond your baseless assumtions


in turkish news we hear that there is a debate in greece these days about those anti turkish parts of history books.greek people started to understand that these parts increases hate against turks(except you lol).
 http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/385419.asp
sorry its hard for me to translate this news but it tells nearly what im saying.

thats not a text book quote. The reason why i ask for first hand evidance; is that for instance if people talk about the armenian genocide or other sensative topics this can be (and is) interpreted as anti-turkish. While these subjects can be used by people to push anti-turkish agenda's for many others its just a part of history as they understand it. You always assume the agenda. There is a big differnce in a non-turkish POV on history and hateful anti-turkish propaganda. When you find the text books that show the latter i will concede but if its about the former, all i can say 'welcome to the world' we all have different perspectives.
 
Originally posted by the_oz


sorry i wrote EU mistakely but i didnt meant european union i meant only europeans.im searching some site who are defending people from european race(or there are lots of words which they use aryan-white etc.)
they are not thinking like you.
most famous of them.
www.stormfront.org
The_Oz, firsly stormfront is a US based (and dominated) site.
 
nazism and white pride are fringe groups that hate anything they percieve as non-white, they have little infleunce over mainstream politics and i challenge you to show me where they get elected and have any popular political support and inturn power.
 
It is true however, every so often you get conservative parties that play on xenophibic fears (france), but that happens everywhere including your country and the one im living in now.
 


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Greek may also confess something they say every day before entering school. In wich it stands "we will get constantinople back from those dogs".

I lost the original text and the translation of it but try to research.


what was that?!?
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Originally posted by DayI

Greek may also confess something they say every day before entering school. In wich it stands "we will get constantinople back from those dogs".
I lost the original text and the translation of it but try to research.

Re Dayi where did you read/hear this BS? And ok you read it somewhere, did you also believe it?? I mean geez if you, a member of this forum for two years (i.e. you interact with greeks online for at least 2 years), a person who has been living in Europe (if I'm not mistaken) believe this kind of BS, I don't want to imagine what an average Turk, with limited access/usage of internet and limited (if any) interaction with greeks might believe about us...
Please try to find your source and post it.
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Greek may also confess something they say every day before entering school. In wich it stands "we will get constantinople back from those dogs".
 
What an untrue, ridiculous, and flaming comment to see from an intelligent person.  DayI, the insults from you (here & other threads) are becoming worth a warning.  Please use more tact.
 
Neoptolemos, please cool it also.  Just let him know it's not true but no more criticisms please.
 
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Oh I'm very cool. I was just surprised to read DayI's post.
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I agree with the our moderator that this statement has no place on AllEmpires. Most of us can remember a time where many neighborhood brawls between ethnicities made participating on this forum an unpleasant experience. Furthermore, acting with malevolence is unbecoming of an experienced member. I certainly hope DayI retracts from making inflamming statements.
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the otoman empire did so much bad things to the balcan countries,that i don't thing any balcan country would realy axept them as balcans.

I find this comment quite funny considering how the Balkans is perceived in the Balkans. How many Balkan countries would accept that they themselves were part of the Balkans? :P

As for Turkey, I believe that the part that in the Balkans is in the Balkans and is part of Europe, the part that is out of the Balkans is in Asia/Middle East. Why can't a country cross the borders of continents? I mean Russia was, for a long time and still is, the largest nation in Europe, even though most of it is in Asia.

People don't accept Turkey as part of Europe because of the connection of Turkey to Asia and its dislocation from the Western Liberal nations. This may or may not be based on ignorance of Ottoman/European traditions, but Europe will not accept Muslims within its community because Europe is based on Christianity.

I don't think anyone is specifically taught anything about how 'bad' or 'good' Turkey is, I think the hatred of Turkey is based on its current state, cultural and religious differences and memories of Turkeys contemporary past/lack of reconciliation with its own past. Any turks standing here pretending its the westerners fault for having a bad attitude towards Turkey in Europe is really neivly ignoring the internal problems of Turkey.

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in turkish news we hear that there is a debate in greece these days about those anti turkish parts of history books.greek people started to understand that these parts increases hate against turks(except you lol).
 http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/385419.asp
sorry its hard for me to translate this news but it tells nearly what im saying.

 
 
This history  book is available on this site (on the end of the site,in pdf format)but unfortunately only in Greek.
The Greek speakers can make their own conclusion about this book.

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