What happened to the Mongols?

Originally posted by pekau Wow, is that really possible?

Originally posted by Raffi as said before the reason the mongols declined is that they assimulated the customs and manners of the poeple they conquerd. most importantly the core of peacefull agricultural life. the main strenth the mongols\ arabs\ huns or any steppe poeple had over civiliation is simple: every man can be a warrior. while in the "civiliesed lands only about 5% of the men where armed. as most of the population was occupied in agriculture.  the nomadic poeple although small in numbers could call upon a great deal of warriors when needed. in time the mongols became very similar to the poeple they conquerd. the persians, the chinese and the russians.   No more was every man a fighter. and the armies who was once national became mercenary.the mongols lost the unique of thier empire.  and became a set of conventionall kingdoms. from here thing only got worse. constant fughting between the descendants the Genghis chan deteriorated the mongol kingdoms. the chinese rebelled against thier mongol rulers with zeal. and the mongol khan at that point was a weak child not capable of suppressing such a fanatical revolt.   the kast and perhaps most succufull mongol kingdom: "the golden horde" was almost wiped out by the army of Timurlanc a mongol descendant himself. Timorlan himself was a brilliant tactician, but as the custom of mongol leaders did not take enough care about what would happen after he is dead.    And when he died his empire died with him. as it turned into rivalling petty kingdoms and city states. i hope i ansered some of your questions sincerely Raffi

but this can allso work the otherway around just look at the Seljuks or Ottomans and Tatars(they just assimilated the rest of the population seljuks not so much but they kept tehre identity)

I'm sorry but i don't accept the term mongolian EMPIRE.Yes, i know that an empire is when a country conquers other nations, but the mongols did not conquer other nations exept for the chinese ,but simpy the whole Horde passed through Asia without founding any big cities and without creating any propper administration to call it an Empire.Ofcourse they couldn't hold the territory because they did not create a country,but simply conquer more and more until they finaly were too tired to continue(economicaly and so on...).

Hmm the mongolians never intended to govern anything. They just wanted to raid cities and castles but they were so succesfull in what they did they needed to found a city"Kharakorum" The most valuable possetion of the mongols was kept ther. Not gold not jewels but craftsmen, Scolars(educated people)

The mongolians introduced the bill(money), a postal service(the first pont expres), etc to the world.

The Mongolain empire might not have been for a long time but what about the succesor states.

Jagiello your from poland right teh closest of those was the Crimerean Khanat who ruled over that region for over 300 years(thats long)

It is true that the Tatars rather stayed in the Krim rather than the whom empire(Just look at bahcesaray it's beatifull)

It is true that the mongols plundered an pilleaged but that was there goal at first.

Originally posted by Jagiello I'm sorry but i don't accept the term mongolian EMPIRE.Yes, i know that an empire is when a country conquers other nations, but the mongols did not conquer other nations exept for the chinese ,but simpy the whole Horde passed through Asia without founding any big cities and without creating any propper administration to call it an Empire.Ofcourse they couldn't hold the territory because they did not create a country,but simply conquer more and more until they finaly were too tired to continue(economicaly and so on...).

Jagiello,

Of course they conquered other nations. The Khwarazm Empire, Baghdad, most of Russia.

And they had a very good system of administration.

- Zheng-ru

Originally posted by Zheng-ru Another cause of the Mongols' fall is that they were mostly nomads and instead of adapting to agriculture to feed their serfs and greater army, they destroyed irrigation in the Middle East.