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Topic: Lions vs. Tigers Posted: 10-Jun-2015 at 09:07 |
Originally posted by Lion crest
The whole issue about the tiger being heavier then the lion is a misconception if your thinking its an advantage. What many people don't understand, is why is the tiger sometimes heavier then the lion? The reason is many species of lions are shorter in length, sometimes quite a bit shorter then the tigers. Many tigers can grow to be exceptionally long...but over all, the tiger is thinner and more narrow in the body then the lion on average. The added weight a tiger can have is in length, sometimes height, and food intake, being a solitary cat.
The lion is generally stronger and thicker where it matters most in a fight. And that is in the front quarters. Beneath the lions mane, it has greater muscular mass that surpasses the tiger...these areas consist of the trapezius muscles, shoulders, chest, neck, and back muscles the lattisimus dorsi muscles. The areas around the shoulders and between them, the whole top part of the frame of the lion is at times quite a bit more muscular then the tiger. A tiger that is the same age, same height and length as a lion, will generally actually weigh less, not more. In the wild the lions weights are all over the place, as their life is much more sporadic and unpredictable then the solitary tiger. Male lions only spend 3 to 4 years as pride males, the rest is spent outside the pride, fighting to get back in or hunting with other nomads. During these times, male lions are stressed, fighting frequently bumping into other stray males, so they don't get the proper nutrition, which hence is going reap a lesser weight as a species vs the tiger. |
I'm aware of how lions and tigers are built. I don't consider it a disadvantage that some of the tiger's weight is in its longer body but I understand the fact that the lion is stronger in its front quarters. However, I've seen few lions in the wild being thicker than tigers, usually they seem thinner. I'm not talking about any lesser lion, but I'm refering to males in their prime, dominant males. I try to not use "pride males" when I'm talking about dominant males in a territory because the basic social structure of male lions is the gang or coalition with his brother/cousins. They are the ones who will help him in a takeover or defending the territory, that generally is much bigger than the territory of a female pride.
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Posted: 10-Jun-2015 at 16:53 |
U/We/They' are currently posting from 2 different IP addresses and while this is not necessarily a cause for overt concern....if 'u' are also Majingilane 'u' presumably already have an account and do not need to post as a guest. If not u are posting as a guest.
Consequently to avoid being banned as a 'double id poster/account' u should use your Majingilane identity if that is u. And use an already existing account or create one. And again assuming that's valid and not a reboot of an already banned person.
Otherwise I will presume either extraordinary circumstances that require that action; which will also require pre approval from the owner admin Red Clay.
Or... I will presume u are a troller.. spammer... and need to have those Ips blocked. And ANY accounts terminated.
Consequently take appropriate action. You have 12 hours.
if u fail to do so I will ban the Ip's u are using.
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Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 10-Jun-2015 at 16:59
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Posted: 10-Jun-2015 at 17:15 |
It was me, I had no idea I was posting as "guest". When I tried to login I couldn't, my email was not recognized, anything, so I registered again.
Edited by Majingilane - 10-Jun-2015 at 17:28
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Posted: 10-Jun-2015 at 17:17 |
Originally posted by Majingilane
It was me, I had no idea I was posting as "guest". When I tried to login I couldn't, my email was not recognized, anything, so I registered again. |
Excellent. All then is well at this time. Carry on. And again welcome to the forum.
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Posted: 10-Jun-2015 at 17:56 |
Thank you, CV. To support what I said earlier when I couldn't login, I wanted to share some images. This is the dominant male of the Majingilane coalition, Black mane.
To compare, this is a dominant male tiger, I don't know his name but he's from Bandhavgarh National Park , according to the captions.
So while both look muscular, I don't see the lion being thicker and bulkier than the tiger, they look the same to me.
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Posted: 10-Jun-2015 at 18:23 |
Coincidence?
Edited by Prime - 11-Jun-2015 at 00:48
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Posted: 10-Jun-2015 at 18:47 |
Jaja no Prime I am the same that in wildfact, that's why I chose the same name. You can read some of what I posted there. I recognize the name of pckts, so don't worry, I'm not him.
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Posted: 10-Jun-2015 at 19:01 |
If that is you, and not a pckts stolen idenity to drop in more malware on this site, (like pckts has been trying to do all this time)...than on this page:
Where it has your account...I'd like you to say this...
"The Majingilane male lions rival the mapogo in savagery"
As a post and nothing else...If that is you and not a pckts imposter, than it should be posted by your account, and not pckts...take it as a verification so we know you're telling the truth.
Edited by Prime - 10-Jun-2015 at 21:12
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Posted: 10-Jun-2015 at 20:14 |
No mane, no protection at the trachea:
Once Hideyoshi gave a live dog to his pet tiger as a treat; but the animal, realising the situation before the tiger did, seized the tiger by the throat and choked it to death before it could defend itself, though the dog too died from its wounds.
Tiger no protection
Lion tons of protection
Even without the mane, the lions neck is slightly bigger:
Whos upper body looks more bulky, tiger or lion? (both on the same level'd platform, and both at the same distance)
As I said before, it would take around 4-5 tigers (probably more) neck circumferences to fill in the lions vastly larger maned area:
The lion is the largest in the frontal area, not even a thousand pound tiger would make the difference, or a 1,500 lb liger either. Anyone who compares thickness when they are not in the same shot is retarded, a mouse can be scaled the same size, the thickness of the tigers arms are only an illusion since he is shorter at the sholder and has shorter limbs (Ph.D of smithsonian)...plus the lions arms looks skinnier because of the mane. Even with this siberian in front of te lion and closer to the camera there isnt any more thickness of the tigers front limb than of the lions.
Again here, I dont see what you are talking about that tigers have much thicker front limbs, they look the same to me:
CIRCUMFERENCE
Comparing wild lions/tigers with photos is stupid because theres nothing in the photo that can be a base measurement factor, should I start comparing a white guys arms to a black guys and than cherry pick photos? It wouldnt even matter at that point since they vary individually, and it would be astronamical to compare a white guy vs a black guy the same way a bengal is compared to any lion. Some times either or is bigger, and depends on the animal. Those things are so small to even mention because one doesnt have a large gap in being definitive (protaining to limb width), it doesnt need to be brought up anymore because its too great of a variation even at the same weight or a lighter lion can have a bigger arm thn a heavier tiger.
When both are not in the same shot, the only way of comparing size is by a base factor, something exactly the same size in the shot as the other, hence theres something we can compare when the same person is being in the shot via right across:
In terms those two photos above, we have a base factor, Alexanders laceys neck, no matter how far away or how close, his neck circumference is not gona change when directly across the animal...so we can see how much times Laceys neck circumference can fit in the tigers neck circumference, I'd say about 4 or 5 times, for the lion and lacey, it would take about a 100 of laceys necks to fill in the circumference of the lions entire mane....hence mathematics should be aplied with....
Circumference....not even 1,000 lb tigers have the same neck circumference of a big maned 500 lb lion...hence if something is significant in comparison, it can be an advantage, comparing the tiny centimeters of who has bulkier forelimbs is insignificant, retarded and a waste of time...you know how you can compare who has the superior front fore-limb??? By getting accounts of animals they have killed specifically with blunt force. Last time I checked lions have slew almost every animal he has gone up with, with a single blow of the paw from as small as hyenas to as large as elands, and there are just as much biologist, hunters and naturalist of bears as of tigers that say tigers dont use their paws as a blunt force weapon, they use them to grasp or strike to lacerate...so why even bother comparing the tigers front limbs if hes not even gona be using it for striking heavy blows? They are made to grasp and yank down or flip his opponent.
Tigers throw paw blows like how house cats do, whens the last time you seen a house cat knock out another house cat with a haymaker? Never...hence lions have evolved away from the cat family and developed its own fighting style.
As stated before, weights too are not reliable with tigers, if tiger fans wanna use those kinda weights, I see no reason why big lions recorded cant be either:
Attractions of this unusual steak house include Samson, 1,000-pound African lion
Edited by Prime - 11-Jun-2015 at 05:12
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Posted: 10-Jun-2015 at 22:02 |
Pctks, nice try. What areas are the lion's thicker then the tigers? The very areas the mane often covers. The neck, shoulders, back and chest. Many wild pics show male lions that have far larger stronger shoulders then wild tigers. So it depends what area of the body were talking about. When your saying you've seen thinner lions in the wild, again, you might be thinking of the lower limbs, which are often thinner and longer designed for traveling on the open planes. Both the tiger and lion exceed the other in different parts of the body for a different purpose. But know this, the tigers body is yes thinner and longer then the male lion, its a fact, and I have experts that will back me up on this that have actually operated on lions and tigers. Again many wild pics of lions show compact very muscular bodies, with bulging back muscles. Ive seen this anatomy up close as well. Depends on the cat as well, some tigers are not that long either and low to the ground. Also lioness's will have larger necks and shoulders then tigress's too.
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Originally posted by Lion crest
The whole issue about the tiger being heavier then the lion is a misconception if your thinking its an advantage. What many people don't understand, is why is the tiger sometimes heavier then the lion? The reason is many species of lions are shorter in length, sometimes quite a bit shorter then the tigers. Many tigers can grow to be exceptionally long...but over all, the tiger is thinner and more narrow in the body then the lion on average. The added weight a tiger can have is in length, sometimes height, and food intake, being a solitary cat.
The lion is generally stronger and thicker where it matters most in a fight. And that is in the front quarters. Beneath the lions mane, it has greater muscular mass that surpasses the tiger...these areas consist of the trapezius muscles, shoulders, chest, neck, and back muscles the lattisimus dorsi muscles. The areas around the shoulders and between them, the whole top part of the frame of the lion is at times quite a bit more muscular then the tiger. A tiger that is the same age, same height and length as a lion, will generally actually weigh less, not more. In the wild the lions weights are all over the place, as their life is much more sporadic and unpredictable then the solitary tiger. Male lions only spend 3 to 4 years as pride males, the rest is spent outside the pride, fighting to get back in or hunting with other nomads. During these times, male lions are stressed, fighting frequently bumping into other stray males, so they don't get the proper nutrition, which hence is going reap a lesser weight as a species vs the tiger. |
I'm aware of how lions and tigers are built. I don't consider it a disadvantage that some of the tiger's weight is in its longer body but I understand the fact that the lion is stronger in its front quarters. However, I've seen few lions in the wild being thicker than tigers, usually they seem thinner. I'm not talking about any lesser lion, but I'm refering to males in their prime, dominant males. I try to not use "pride males" when I'm talking about dominant males in a territory because the basic social structure of male lions is the gang or coalition with his brother/cousins. They are the ones who will help him in a takeover or defending the territory, that generally is much bigger than the territory of a female pride. |
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Posted: 10-Jun-2015 at 22:49 |
I wasn't just talking about the lower limbs. In that part yes, lions are thinner but I've also seen some images of lions from the masai mara and serengeti that have nice and bulky lower limbs. This is one of the Notch males. I have also seen pics that show tigers with strong, muscular shoulders. The only tigers I've seen that are thin are juvenile tigers, but since I know very little about tigers I have few pics of them. About zoo tigers and lions, I have to tell you I've only seen one when I was a kid, a long time ago. According to counter strike, he said the same as you Lion crest, that tigers are thinner. So I'm just saying what I see in the pictures I have. About tigresses, I have to agree with you. From the few pics I've seen, they do look thinner than lionesses.
Originally posted by Prime
"The Majingilane male lions rival the mapogo in savagery" |
Prime, Do you believe in this statement?
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Posted: 10-Jun-2015 at 22:57 |
Boom
Edited by Prime - 11-Jun-2015 at 00:46
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Posted: 10-Jun-2015 at 23:49 |
I don't think it's the same. The Majingilane dominated the Mapogos, there is no doubt about this. But , on the other side, I think they are not as agressive as the Mapogos. They fight less between each other, they are less individualist, they behave more as a unit. They have their fair share of kills, but the Mapogo brothers have killed more lions in their life, like legions of youtube and facebook followers will tell you. So I think that "savagery" is quite the subject, especially when talking about male lions.
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Posted: 11-Jun-2015 at 00:06 |
Check out this concerted male lion attack.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjY_CSLUIiI Note the grasping strength in the fore legs of the lion attempting the spine bite on the broad buffalo..
What lone tiger, or bear - could cope with this kind of assault?
Edit: Sorry, I dunno why my links wont 'take'...
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Posted: 11-Jun-2015 at 00:08 |
Alright bro...we'll see in the long run...we'll see.
Edited by Prime - 11-Jun-2015 at 00:14
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Edited by J.A.W. - 11-Jun-2015 at 00:26
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Posted: 11-Jun-2015 at 00:25 |
First of all, I just checked it and it seems that hunch was a false proven one...
Second, I am only looking out for this site as its a good site and dont want it hacked...maybe you dont care because you offerd up no data here, but if you havent seen it...theres over 8 pages of solid info that can be lost to the likes of the retarded pckts and his hacking bullshit, like here:
Yeah, the same guy who hacked dino mikes site, the same guy who hacked yuku, the same pckts who has over a 1,000 aliases...the same idiot who photo shoped over 300 things and acted as if he had 300 accounts of tigers killing lions, so forgive me if I was amped by the past two spammers and malware idiots who was just banned a day or so ago...jack. the same idiot that I'd crack his f**king head open if I ever had the chance for all the insults and character assinations he had done to all the yuku members.
although I have all the data backed up, unlike you who doesnt care for posting quality stuff, I dont wanna have to copy an paste all the pages back onto another site because retard hacked the site.
Ya get it? It was just a test on a hunch...so far one part of it was proven, so let it go...
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Posted: 11-Jun-2015 at 00:31 |
Originally posted by Prime
First of all, I just checked it and it seems that hunch was a false proven one...
Second, I am only looking out for this site as its a good site and dont want it hacked...maybe you dont care because you offerd up no data here, but if you havent seen it...theres over 8 pages of solid info that can be lost to the likes of the retarded pckts and his hacking bullshit, like here:
Yeah, the same guy who hacked dino mikes site, the same guy who hacked yuku, the same pckts who has over a 1,000 aliases...the same idiot who photo shoped over 300 things and acted as if he had 300 accounts of tigers killing lions, so forgive me if I was amped by the past two spammers and malware idiots who was just banned a day or so ago...jack. the same idiot that I'd crack his f**king head open if I ever had the chance for all the insults and character assinations he had done to all the yuku members.
although I have all the data backed up, unlike you who doesnt care for posting quality stuff, I dont wanna have to copy an paste all the pages back onto another site because retard hacked the site.
Ya get it? It was just a test on a hunch...so far one part of it was proven, so let it go... |
WTF?
Prime, just who is the member - that is the subject of this seemingly bizarre ranting? Not me, I trust..
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Posted: 11-Jun-2015 at 00:36 |
It goes back to yuku, type in google:
lion vs tiger yuku
And you should see the 3 yuku sites, the member pckts, is the hacker, the one with a 1,000 aliases who hacks any site that has info that shows a lion can beat a tiger. Lion crest knows who that is. Probably the worlds biggest liar and manipulative peice of shit on the planet.
Again, so my bad to majingilane, and my bad to you too Jaws. No biggies...
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Posted: 11-Jun-2015 at 00:55 |
Ok, Prime - I checked out those sites & that pick-pockets bloke.. You are indeed - quite correct - about him..
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